Vagal AF November 19, 2019 07:04AM |
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Re: Vagal AF November 21, 2019 06:29PM |
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Carey
I think your EP is right and people put way too much importance on afib being vagal or adrenergic. It's the same afib either way no matter how it's triggered.
Re: Vagal AF November 21, 2019 07:04PM |
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MarkF786
George,
What do you say to doctors who insist on taking a beta-blocker or a calcium channel blocker when on an antiarrhythmic drug?
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Carey
I think your EP is right and people put way too much importance on afib being vagal or adrenergic. It's the same afib either way no matter how it's triggered.
Re: Vagal AF November 21, 2019 07:48PM |
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Maybe our EPs have to find new ways to induce afib while their vagal afibbers are in the lab?
Just wondering...
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If a person has always gotten their episodes in the evening while resting or sleep, seems to be more than legend, the Beta Blocker harmed me.
Re: Vagal AF December 09, 2019 03:23AM |
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Carey
What I'm looking for is evidence (ie, published clinical studies) that vagal afib is harmed by (or benefits from) being treated differently. The bonus question would be what to do with the mixed types, which is probably most people.
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Wonder if you were a treating doc, would you treat a young (34), fit, paroxysmal afibber who gets episodes 3x/year with afib rates in the 150's BPM, a resting HR of 50 and BP of 100/60 with a chronic dose of a beta blocker?
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The triggers are mostly irrelevant once we are in an episode, however there are certain meds that actually aggravate vagally induced episodes such as digitalis due to its vagotonic action, failing to convert and causing more harm.
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