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FibbinAfib – Thanks for the dosing info. You should probably consider cutting back on the amount of potassium you take daily to see if that helps your extra beat activity. If we knew for sure what your intracellular magnesium-to-potassium ratio was, we could determine if your magnesium level was sufficient to support that much potassium (because you undoubtedly get some additional K from fooby Jackie - AFIBBERS FORUM
Hello Cosmos and welcome. Here are some considerations: If your heart activity is consistently occurs after meals, then you need to do a dietary assessment and attempt to target what might be causing the reaction. Being diabetic has it's own challenges but typically, the food/afib association has to do with a type of a sensitivity and/or often lack of natural stomach acid production.by Jackie - AFIBBERS FORUM
Regarding the importance of optimal intracellular magnesium levels .... following are some clips from an old post regarding the importance of magnesium in the body. When you look at the various symptoms that can present as a result of magnesium deficiency, it's an important reminder to be sure you can effectively assimilate and utilize magnesium. Jackie Deficiency There are over 3by Jackie - AFIBBERS FORUM
robh - Yes - it can take 6 mos or longer to optimize IC Mg and maybe never - if the cell's receptors are coated/damaged from bad fats (trans-fats) so Mg can't get inside the cell. Alcohol intake also depletes magnesium and kills heart cells. Just be aware that serum levels of magnesium are not indicative of what actually gets inside the cell... if it can't get in, the serumby Jackie - AFIBBERS FORUM
robh. - Your blood thinning regimen is of great concern to me. Although I relied on Nattokinase for many years since I was unable to stabilize warfarin for consistent INR.... and while definitely approve of the fibrinolytic enzymes, you may be over-thinning with your regimen. Be very sure you are aware of the consequences. Since I have a low platelet count, it's always been a challenby Jackie - AFIBBERS FORUM
Dennis - the total electrolyte balance can be threatened should you take too much magnesium and have the resultant diarrhea....however, that's typically short lived - assuming you reduce the magnesium intake. What's already in the cells doesn't change... it's just the excess that's shuttled off via the bowel transit system.... however, diarrhea does deplete the availableby Jackie - AFIBBERS FORUM
safib - The referenced calcium studies in the Death by Calcium book are not Dr. Levy's pipe dreams. As I commented to JoyWin in another post, the risks of too much calcium and especially in afibbers is real and correct from a basic, biochemistry standpoint and is supported by not only those fundamentals, but also the studies showing the excitatory effect on muscle cells including hearby Jackie - AFIBBERS FORUM
Yes - JoyWin - that's smart. Good for you. For those on vegan diets, there is more than abundant calcium content in the vegan foods to satisfy the body’s requirements so avoiding dairy isn't really a penalty that requires supplementation with extra calcium. The risks of too much calcium and especially in afibbers is real and correct from a basic, biochemistry standpoint. Tby Jackie - AFIBBERS FORUM
jpeters - There is plenty of reliable documentation to support the problem with excess calcium - especially in afibbers and we've been pointing to the reasons why since the forum first began. In the book, Death by Calcium, by cardiologist Thomas E. Levy, MD, JD... there are several topic titles that refute the calcium need. A sample of the topic titles and 'headlines'by Jackie - AFIBBERS FORUM
Dennis - What is the brand of the topical magnesium? Check the label to see if it contains other chemical additives to which you might be experiencing a sensitivity reaction. Is there anything else that you take or do when applying the topical magnesium? Just curious because the transdermal delivery is one of the most tolerated methods and is known to reduce muscle cramping pain in tweby Jackie - AFIBBERS FORUM
Beardman - your intake of calcium... I consume 1,000-1,500 MG of calcium a day is very high. You need to cut back to under 500 mg or less... on a permanent basis. ... because calcium is excitatory to cells... that includes heart cells. And it will dominate over magnesium... (which is calming or relaxing)..... If your magnesium intake is consistently low, then that explains the probleby Jackie - AFIBBERS FORUM
Fibbin - On the Mg and K intake. How much of each are you taking? You may need a lot more time if you are severely depleted and it may be as long as 6 months before you really start to stabilize. Also, if consider trying the topical form of magnesium either by Epsom Salts baths or the topical magnesium gel rather than ingesting supplements....since sometimes there is interference at the cby Jackie - AFIBBERS FORUM
Joel/Beardman - The Adrenotone may be too stimulating... esp. in combo with L-arginine. The Adrenotone product data sheet has this notation: Advise patient to discontinue use and consult you if they experience sleeplessness, headache or heart palpitations when using Adrenotone™. You should consider cutting back on the arginine as well as that can be too stimulatory for some individualsby Jackie - AFIBBERS FORUM
Great news, Victoria. I'm so pleased you were able to be treated by Dr. Natale and I wish you the very best outcome. I'll be watching for your news. Kind regards, Jackieby Jackie - AFIBBERS FORUM
Hello JoeM - I am glad you are no longer "lurking"... Welcome. As related to your scientific training, do an online search for the connection between Oxidative Stress and the related cellular damage to and excitability of cardiac cells which shows up as a potential cause for arrhythmia after endurance exercise. The ROS damage is well documented as are the recommendations for optimby Jackie - AFIBBERS FORUM
Pompon - Just type in 'accupuncture' in an advanced search for all dates. You'll find several archived threads on that topic with multiple responses, including mine.. Jackieby Jackie - AFIBBERS FORUM
Hi Mike - It's normal to feel some PAC-type activity in the first few days or even a week or so after ablation. Your heart is in a state of irritability. I've commented previously that after my first ablation (years ago), I was amazed that my heart was so calm after I came home the following day. I was sent home with an event monitor and that did show minor fluctuations but notby Jackie - AFIBBERS FORUM
rocketrich - if you can locate a practitioner in your area who is trained Directional Non-Force Technique, (DNFTTM) -- try that. It's a form of chiropractic involving 'spinal alignment' that doesn't involve the typical twisting or cracking maneuvers. Very gentle and totally different from what you'd expect from chiropractic. The results are amazing and offerby Jackie - AFIBBERS FORUM
Circ Arrhythm Electrophysiol. 2015 Feb;8(1):49-58. doi: 10.1161/CIRCEP.114.002292. Epub 2014 Nov 20. Digoxin and risk of death in adults with atrial fibrillation: the ATRIA-CVRN study.by Jackie - AFIBBERS FORUM
Hello Libby - are you doing anything to maintain the optimization of your intracellular levels of magnesium and potassium and limiting the antagonists...sodium and calcium? Many of us have found the need to continue with supplements along with a smart diet and lifestyle that supports and stabilizes NSR. Also, be sure you are hydrating very well - continually...especially if you live inby Jackie - AFIBBERS FORUM
Hello Grace - First - Welcome. We, at afibbers.org, are a mixed group of afibbers and former afibbers who have either been successfully ablated or have found a "cure" by various assessments and nutritional corrections of imbalances that can contribute to Afib. The majority of our early contributors have eventually moved on and newer participants have joined in help answer questioby Jackie - AFIBBERS FORUM
Hi Gary - thanks for posting your progress report and finding the source culprit. It certainly supports what we continue to emphasize - that we are all individually unique and there are many problems that can occur in some...but not in others. I'm so glad you were able to find yours. The oxalate alert is important. Best to you, Jackieby Jackie - AFIBBERS FORUM
Patients who educate themselves and question their doctors are patients who survive and get better. Well said, Carey. Back in the days when I trusted that doctors knew everything, I was on the receiving end of injuries and damage by well-intentioned physicians who were completely wrong in diagnoses and/or methods of approaching my various, relatively common health issues or I was preby Jackie - AFIBBERS FORUM
Whitehaven - I have not combined NK with coumadin, as I had stopped the coumadin several years prior to my introduction to nattokinase... but I do want to emphasize the importance for those who take warfarin/Coumadin, to also take the vitamin K2 in the Menaquinone 7 form... aka K2 MK7 to help prevent calcifications of arteries and other soft tissue that commonly occur with warfarin use.by Jackie - AFIBBERS FORUM
No one in my immediate family or the many relatives have had afib. Jackieby Jackie - AFIBBERS FORUM
Thanks - yes - I've found that most capsules now contain the oxide....but not all. That Natural Life product does have the TRAACs designation giving it the Albion credentials. Klaire Labs does make a pure, unbuffered powder... but it may not be available online. Jackieby Jackie - AFIBBERS FORUM
Colindo - there is an abundance of evidence for the properties of nattokinase and similar fibrinolytic enzymes such as lumbrokinase that work to lower the contributors to elevated fibrin which makes blood more likely to clot because of the "hyperviscosity" characteristic. The field is hemorheology and there is science backing that. Here's one example from the original investby Jackie - AFIBBERS FORUM
Nancy2 - Clarify, please about the Bluebonnet product .... it's no longer available? I just checked online and found this There are versions of the Albion chelated magnesium bisglycinate that also include the descriptive word... "buffered." This means magnesium oxide is added to the formula... (I think it's more of a filler since true magnesium bisglycinate chelate isby Jackie - AFIBBERS FORUM
Pompon - yes definitely... taking the additional HCl is easy, inexpensive and if effective; definitely worth it because then your food can be broken down properly so you can benefit from the nutritional components. Many people have had relief from Afib by managing digestive complaints. Jackieby Jackie - AFIBBERS FORUM
jpeters - Yes - Keep in mind that my clot saga was early 2004. When I needed ECVs 10 years later, the TEE was always done right before the ECV which obviously makes sense. Jackieby Jackie - AFIBBERS FORUM