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Quotejpeters Anyway, Digoxin works very well restoring heart function quickly. You seem determined to confuse heart failure and afib. Yes, digoxin treats heart failure. That's not news to anyone since the 1930s. However, what it does for people with afib who don't have heart failure is makes them die.by Carey - AFIBBERS FORUM
Interesting paper and I agree natto has promising qualities, but still no human placebo trials measuring clot formation, strokes, TIAs, etc. At this point I'd say it sounds like it might be a useful thing to take on a daily basis for overall cardiovascular health, but I wouldn't rely on it as an anticoagulant. And I wouldn't take it with anticoagulants either.by Carey - AFIBBERS FORUM
Grandfather and mother spent years in persistent afib. My sister has been in persistent afib for about 30 years now. I developed paroxysmal afib at 46 that eventually began to trend toward persistence. Could I have avoided afib with super clean living and all that? I doubt it. Maybe I could have delayed it longer, but I think I was dealt the cards and eventually they were going to get played.by Carey - AFIBBERS FORUM
Very small, barely large enough to be statistically significant, and it only measured physiological parameters, not actual stroke risks. That's what I haven't seen, a clinical trial comparing natto to anything else with clinical measures such as stroke and TIAs. So we really don't know how effective it is at preventing strokes, if at all. Maybe it helps, but how much? I've seeby Carey - AFIBBERS FORUM
Quotejpeters " There is no such thing as generic structural heart disease. One would have to be living on another planet to not understand that. Why then is this term used so commonly? " Richard Conti, M.D., M.A.C.C. I've heard the term used by some of the world's top cardiologists. It's a perfectly valid term just like lung disease, kidney disease, etc. The alternby Carey - AFIBBERS FORUM
QuoteSocalsteve I’m hoping not to have to use Metropolol at all as it surely seems to not bring anything positive to the table, just negative. Hopefully the Flecanide alone will do the trick. Flecainide alone can be dangerous. The danger is that it will cause afib to organize into atrial flutter, and without a beta blocker to slow conduction through the AV node that can result in 1:1 conductionby Carey - AFIBBERS FORUM
QuoteJackie Here's one example from the original investigations published in 2006 that led to the use of nattokinase for this purpose: That's an in vitro study so it's very weak evidence. It's really little more than suggestive. What natto needs to be taken seriously is either a placebo controlled trial or a direct comparison to warfarin and/or the NOACs in randomly coby Carey - AFIBBERS FORUM
Quotesmackman I also would like to know what Carey credentials are. I don't claim credentials. I have a medical background but mainly my credentials are the same as yours, Shannon's or anyone else around here. I've battled afib and flutter for 16 years, I've undergone multiple ablations, I've undergone dozens of cardioversions, I've received a Watchman, and I'by Carey - AFIBBERS FORUM
Quotecolindo No one is passing the notion that natto is a cure for Afib, but the science suggests it could help some of us with regards to blood thinners. I know your main focus is ablations which is not a cure for Afib but please keep an open mind to alternatives. I don't have a main focus on ablations or anything else. Show me something that actually works, is safe, and has evidenby Carey - AFIBBERS FORUM
Quoteanneh (I am constantly fearful of brain bleed) That's an instinctive fear for many people, but the reality is your chances of a stroke due to a clot are probably higher than your chances of a bleed. Reducing your dosage would probably increase your risk of stroke, not decrease it. But that depends on your particulars. If you're a CHADS-Vasc 0 or 1, then going to a half dose probaby Carey - AFIBBERS FORUM
QuoteGeorgeN I would not say natto cures afib, but it has helped at least 1 person stay in afib remission. That's fine, but think passing on the notion that natto is a cure for afib is a bad idea, especially for the reputation of the site.by Carey - AFIBBERS FORUM
Quotejpeters What exactly is uncomplicated afib? Afib without structural heart disease. Heart failure, for example.by Carey - AFIBBERS FORUM
Folks, you're mixing up diseases. Digoxin has its place in treating heart failure, but it has no place in uncomplicated afib. It increases mortality for such patients, plain and simple, and the only benefits it provides can be better provided by other, safer drugs. That's all I'm saying and I'm not trying to play doctor. If you have afib and don't have heart failure, andby Carey - AFIBBERS FORUM
Quotejpeters Yes, I'll have Stanford Health contact you for an update. Sarcasm noted but it's unfortunately very common for general cardiologists to do this. Ask yourself why EPs don't.by Carey - AFIBBERS FORUM
Natto cures afib. Now I've heard everything.by Carey - AFIBBERS FORUM
QuoteSocalsteve Wow! Thanks! I do believe the digoxin was more recommended while I’m having a long term afib episode as opposed to daily usage. The way it was explained was that the metropolol would lower rate and the digoxin will keep me from the rate jumping all over the place and making me more comfortable . I was going from the 70’s to the 130’s during my episode. That's what antiarrhyby Carey - AFIBBERS FORUM
Quotejpeters I was prescribed digoxin by Stanford Health, and restored ejection function from low 20's to 55. Digoxin was just prescribed to the poster. Unlikely the poster is going to get heart failure from taking his prescribed dose. I didn't say he was going to get heart failure from digoxin. Quite the contrary -- digoxin is prescribed for heart failure, which is why you got it wiby Carey - AFIBBERS FORUM
Quotejpeters t strengthens the force of the heart muscle's contractions, helps restore a normal, steady heart rhythm, and improves blood circulation. Digoxin is one of several medications used to treat the symptoms of heart failure. It may also be prescribed if you have atrial fibrillation (a common irregular heart rhythm)." You're quoting old information. None of those effects hby Carey - AFIBBERS FORUM
Quotewhitehaven Especially if it was able to keep you Afib free for 14 years! Natto does not prevent afib.by Carey - AFIBBERS FORUM
You need an EP. Digoxin is an inappropriate drug for afib. It doesn't prevent afib, there are better rate control drugs, it has a narrow therapeutic range, and it increases mortality.by Carey - AFIBBERS FORUM
A trip to the ER is warranted when you feel you can't tolerate it any longer. Unfortunately, since you're not on an anticoagulant the ER probably won't cardiovert you since you've been in afib over 48 hours. However, they probably will give you cardiazem or a beta blocker, which will slow the rate down and make it less uncomfortable. You need to find a good EP. Aspirin isby Carey - AFIBBERS FORUM
You have an EP or cardiologist? Call them. Ask about a cardioversion. And I do hope you're on an anticoagulant.by Carey - AFIBBERS FORUM
Are you on the older side and have gout? Then your chances of having afib are increased by a whopping 70%. Linkby Carey - AFIBBERS FORUM
Quotebolimasa If it doesn't often bother me, and PACs don't matter, and if I only AFib for a couple beats at time, do I really need blood thinners? Do I really need to be considering an ablation? You can't answer those questions by looking at ECGs. People with afib tend to have strokes more often than people without afib even when their afib is well controlled. The question of anby Carey - AFIBBERS FORUM
Quotejpeters Note that Digoxin is a "natural" drug extracted from the leaves of a plant called digitalis lanata. Exactly. I wish there was a "like" button on this site.by Carey - AFIBBERS FORUM
You're probably over analyzing this. I think what you posted above is bursts of PACs and maybe very short runs of afib, but what does it matter in the end? PACs cause symptoms too, so whether it's PACs or brief runs of afib isn't really a useful distinction. I think most EPs would look at that, shrug, and ask you if you felt symptoms.by Carey - AFIBBERS FORUM
Quoterocketritch Here is a link to a post that clearly shows my inability to quit when I probably should. And you wonder why you have afib. ;-)by Carey - AFIBBERS FORUM
This is why I don't like Steve Ryan: QuoteIn a recent study, 99% of subjects aged 65 or older had evidence of microbleeds; Oh really? What study? Making statements like that without citing the study is trashy journalism. For all I know it's a flat out lie, or he misunderstood the study, or the study was poor quality.... Who knows? Without citing the study his site is just click baby Carey - AFIBBERS FORUM
It's very individualized. I've never really felt the tiredness that some people feel following ablations. I give the groin a week to heal and then I return to all normal activities, including 50+ mile bike rides in hilly terrain, which is definitely an intense workout. I would probably give weight lifting more like 10 days, especially if you lift heavy. The main thing to watch out for iby Carey - AFIBBERS FORUM
QuoteJackie There are many studies (in the thousands) showing benefits of various nutrients on common ailments that respond very well if not better than drugs without the drug side effects that some have. Also an studies showing why nutritional supplements can help prevent many ailments from developing in the first place. There are precious few high-quality studies comparing supplements toby Carey - AFIBBERS FORUM