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Hi Lois, "My greatest challenge is to keep myself from thinking I am "healed" and problem free. I think it's doubtful that any ever is if one of your "triggers" are related to the electrolytes. " I learned this lesson years ago. If I pay attention to my electrolytes and get them right, I'm in great shape. In fact most triggers go away, too. Howevby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
Ralph, Yes, I am suggesting that. I'll let Jackie weigh in on this as she most often makes this argument. If it works for you, then obviously, do it! At this point, I eat VLC most of the time, and potassium isn't an issue for me. My first afib episode 10 years ago, my serum K+ level was low (3.2 mmol/l, from memory). At that point, I thought potassium might be key. Years ofby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
I wouldn't worry about it. You can always change your mix of supps & types going forward.by GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
Ralph, I think the issue is the high glycemic nature of bananas is somewhat counter productive. That is the the sugar in the bananas stimulates an insulin response which signals excretion of potassium. Ron, I live in the Denver area of Colorado. I ski often with friends who are volunteer ski patrollers. One husband/wife couple lived in Calgary 20 years ago for her job. They volunteerby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
Ron, According to Dr. Moore in his High Blood Pressure Solution book < , a potassium/sodium ratio of 4:1 or greater on intake will signal the kidney to excrete sodium. Moore also notes that increased levels of insulin (usually from a high carb diet) will signal the kidney to conserve sodium. Conversely a very low carb (VLC) diet will create low insulin levels that signal the kidney to excby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
Lee, PIP means "Pill in Pocket," the same as on-demand. Georgeby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
LS V8 is a juice "spiked" with potassium chloride. Some find potassium chloride hard on their stomach, however you can spike anything you want with potassium chloride. Here is a link to the bulk product. I created the link going through the vitamin shop < 1/8 teaspoon = 365 mg potassium, so 8 oz of LS V8 has the equivalent of about 1/4 tsp of KCl powder. Georgeby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
Hi Colin, There are 365x24=8760 hours/year. So 1% is about 88 hours. Georgeby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
Shannon, I totally concur. Also, from what I've learned here, at such time as I do go for an ablation, my 2 1/2 month episode makes mine a "complicated" case. This means I would be well served to choose one of the very top ablationists, such as Natale or the Bordeaux team. Georgeby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
Dirk, I've not yet signed up for an ablation, but I can give you my history & thought processes. My first 4 months, my af burden was ~58%, including a 2 1/2 month episode of 100% The next year was (20 +1+. 5) /(365*24) = 0.24% The next 6 years was about 1 hr /year or 0.01% Then the "bad" year of 28 hours, including 8 in one week = 0.3%. The 8 hours in one week is 4.7by GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
John, There is certainly a gut-afib connection. For some, they can keep their afib in remission if they fix the gut issues. A long time poster, Dean, from Australia, is one who did this. My recollection is he used PPI's and also ate natto food daily. He may be in Peggy's "The List" in the Conference Room Archives. He certainly has told his story here, if you search onby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
Peter, Shannon did and you may be able to find his posts on it using the advanced search - and set the search time limit for all time, not last 30 days. Later, he also had the procedure done to isolate the LAA so he could stop taking anticoagulants. Good luck! Georgeby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
Peter, Shannon did and you may be able to find his posts on it using the advanced search - and set the search time limit for all time, not last 30 days. Later, he also had the procedure done to isolate the LAA so he could stop taking anticoagulants. Good luck! Georgeby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
In '06 or '07, a man from Wales posted about his afib. It only occurred after nights of drinking at the Pub. I suggested maybe he should not drink. He replied that I did not understand his culture, that this was not possible...by GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
The bulk of afibbers in the CDC quote are not "lone" or idopathic. The underlying causes can include: High blood pressure Coronary artery disease Heart failure Heart attacks Abnormal heart valves Heart defects you're born with (congenital) An overactive thyroid gland or other metabolic imbalance Exposure to stimulants, such as medicatiby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
Duke, I recall, from 10 years ago, studies suggesting that afib may be reduced or eliminated by getting rid of H Pylori. When I was chasing down every rabbit hole regarding afib, getting tested for H Pylori was one that I pursued. Your gut discomfort may be because you've just thrown a hand grenade into your gut biome in your colon. It may be pointless to add probiotics till your donby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
Liz, I agree that many very motivated, bright and talented people tried very hard using lifestyle/supplements and meds did not succeed and ended up getting an ablation. I don't think they failed or that people should feel bad or guilty if this does not work. Yes, I use Flec to terminate any episodes I have. This is because 2 months into my afib career, I had a 2 1/2 month episode tby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
As I mentioned in another post, I'm a big fan of PIP (on-demand) use of meds like Flecainide to terminate episodes while one is "horsing around" trying to control afib with lifestyle, trigger avoidance and supplements. My philosophy is to try to minimize, however possible, the amount of time in afib so as to minimize the remodeling. This is beneficial both for the probability oby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
Shannon, I'm sure you are correct. I've always felt the nutritional/lifestyle approach had the best chance of working if applied as soon as possible after diagnosis. The more remodeling, both physical and electrical, higher the hill to climb and the lower the probability of success. I'm a big fan of early application of PIP meds like Flec to terminate whatever episodes theby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
Hi Peggy, Good to hear from you! Glad your afib continues to not be a huge factor in your life! George Shannon, For whatever reason, 10 years ago, there seemed to be more people trying to keep their afib at bay without ablation. They were also innovating various approaches. Don't know why that has changed. This innovation was fertile ground for me to mine when I was tryinby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
A way to get topical mag is make a lotion or cream. This way you can control exactly where you put it. People with autism need the sulphate in Epsom salt, so they have a number of ways to make creams: < You can use mag chloride as well as Epsom salt (mag sulphate). I've done this with Nigari (linked in my post above). You can make your own "magnesium oil." To do this putby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
The dimagnesium malate I reference above is $0.18/gram. It is a quality product, made by Albion using their patented process. You'd have to take 10g/day to get to $60/month with it, which is unlikely. 1/2 tsp of the powder = 1 g mag (5 g product).by GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
I understand the cost issue. I take a lot of mag: 2-4 grams/day. Here is a cost breakdown (without shipping) of various forms: gms of mag/container cost $/gm Carb water Total $/gm Doctor's Best 24 17.99 0.75 0.75 Waller Water 26 3.57 0.14 0.30 0.44 di mag 90.8 15.99 0.18 0.18 Nigari 54.48 2.49 0.05 0.05 Nigari bulk 2397.12 75.8 0.03 0.03 Doctor's Best - 2by GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
If the mag is the source of your constipation, the only reason I can see is some interaction with your relatively long list of meds. A simple solution is to drop the mag altogether and see if your constipation changes. I suppose anything is possible, but it would be extremely unusual for mag to cause it, since mag is prescribed to evacuate your bowels. As far as too much mag being bad fby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
There is a lot of individuality. If you can swing it, monitors, along with a journal or notes can be very useful figuring out what is right for you. I've taken up to 10g/day of potassium as citrate with no adverse effect. This does NOT mean it is right for you. Today I only take 1 g / day as, for me, mag is the crucial electrolyte. I should make it clear that when I write 10g/day ASby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
Liz, I've not measured my mag levels in 9 1/2 years, but the fact I can daily dump in 2-4g would indicate it remains very low and I dump a lot in my urine. I am at least giving my system mag to work with. Also, in my case, mag is much more important than potassium. Sodium does not have any effect for me, however I do generally eat a very low carb diet and, as I understand it, the lowby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
When I was sampled during my first episode, my level was 3.2. Later it was 4.2 fasting, 4.8 several hours after taking supps. During the later two measurements, my afib was well controlled. A couple of notes, Jackie would say you need to get your mag level up first. Those who have a Cardy meter will attest to rapid variability of K measurements.by GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
John, I have some ideas for soft tissue work you can do yourself to help back pain. If you are interested, PM me and I'll detail. Georgeby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
Ralph, Perhaps semantics. At the level near, bowel tolerance, you get bulky soft stools. As you push past it, you get loose stools. That tolerance level is VERY individual and I'm well aware that my intake is several std deviations above normal. I think 1.7 g mag as citrate is used for bowel cleanout. I routinely take that 2x/day. PeggyM, a long time poster couldn't take moreby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
No, I have a variety of sources. Here is an example of a 3.8 g mix (split and taken morning & evening): 2 g as di-magnesium malate powder (1/2 tsp = 1 g mag), Albion process, equine source, but human product: < 45 (horse) servings is 1 pound of product, 20% mag by weight, so 20% x 454 g/pound = 90.8 g of mag. I purchase in 5 pound bags 0.74 g as MgCl2 (magnesium chloride) from a sby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM