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Ron, I always take mag, pot & taurine. Mag is to bowel tolerance, which varies for me. Right now it is around 3 g/day. Potassium is around 4-5 g/day and taurine is 4 g/day. I take them in divided doses 2x/day. I do take D3, K2, A (which all work together), B's, silicon, K iodide and DIM. I can travel and leave the D's etc behind. I never leave the mag, pot & taurinby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
Debbie, No need for ginger at this point as my rhythm is rock stable. I do continue with mag/pot/taurine, as I have for 9 years (almost to the day). Your point is a good one and I'm not sure I can tell you the answer. I continue to consume large quantities of organic pastured ghee (clarified butter) without issue. So it certainly is not the butterfat. I chose the calcium as it has bby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
I take taurine morning and evening. I'm guessing in a few days you'll be taking Mg morning and evening, so it really doesn't matter. You might spool up the mag for a few days before adding the T, just in case you have some negative effect you know which one it is. I've used quite a bit of KCl and it works fine for the afib. However, since you have BP issues, for the longby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
Joe, My first afib experience, I did not have a clue what was happening. I went to the ER for that one time. My serum potassium was also 3.1. Subsequently it was (from memory) 4.2 fasting in the morning after supplementing in the evening and 4.8 at noon after supplementing in the morning. The guys who have a Cardymeter will tell you that serum K can move around quickly. Heck, I'd tby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
Joe, "Do you take Ginger Dailey? Or just when it happens?" There was a time about a year ago when the afib became nightly. I stopped it with daily flec, then added ginger 2x/day and titrated the flec to 0 over about a month. Subsequently used ginger daily as a prophylactic. This worked for a few months, then had to add in the flec again. As I posted above, I figured out that Iby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
Joe, Ginger, among other things, stimulates the sympathetic nervous system, doing an offset to the parasympathetic when you're too vagal (speeds you up a bit). It can also settle digestion, which can be a problem for vagal afibbers. Supplementing and paying attention to diet is a good thing. If you can get rid of any BP issues through diet, that would be very beneficial (and get youby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
"The commonest feature is that of weekly episodes, lasting from a few minutes to several hours. " Don't hang your hat on this one. Time between episodes can be highly variable. In my case, initially they were 10-14 days apart, lasting 6-9 hours, then I had a 2 1/2 hour episode terminated by PIP flecainide. Then I started supplementing with mag, pot & taurine. Time betweeby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
Iatrogenia, I tested with the Exatest 9 years ago and my mag was very close to the bottom of normal. I subsequently chose to not test as the test was fairly expensive and I had to go to an integrative MD to get it done, adding to the cost. Since my system continues to accept ~3g/day, I doubt if I'd learn anything new by retesting. I think Joe already mentioned that he tested low on aby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
Or a cardiologist who is willing. I don't thing GP's like to deal with those meds.by GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
Joe, Generally you want to start with mag, then add potassium. Mag is usually low and if it is low, the K can be counterproductive. The theory is you can supp with mag long enough and your levels will come back up and you'll need to cut back the mag. Hasn't happened in my case in 9 years. As I posted elsewhere, I currently take 3 g/day of mag. Generally, if you have healthyby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
The reason I put in the pill in pocket info is that as afib is a progressive disease "afib begets afib." This is due to electrical and physical remodeling. Therefore you'd like to be in afib absolutely as little as possible. Hence if you get it again, if you can take a PIP med and convert quickly, it minimizes the remodeling. Georgeby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
Joe, I don't think age matters. Dosage, especially for magnesium is very individual. I'd start out with 200 mg/day and increase slowly till you get to bowel tolerance. In my case that is 3000 mg/day. However this large amount, while not unique, is unusual. Also, as you take mag for a while, bowel tolerance can increase. My "core" supplement program is 4 grams elementby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
Joe, In layman's terms, a vagal trigger means your heart gets too slow. The BB makes it slower. The BB is appropriate for a vagal afibber while in afib with a rate > 100 BPM. But if you have a low resting heart rate and then the BB makes it lower, it can precipitate an event. For an adrenergic afibber, going too fast (exercise, heavy lifting & etc) can be the trigger. The BBby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
Joe, Lone afib (also called idopathic afib) has no detectable cause. In many cases, high blood pressure, cardiovascular disease and thyroid issues can be an underlying cause. Getting the electrolytes right can be useful. I take oral magnesium to bowel tolerance (3 g/day for me, this is very high for most people), 4 g/day potassium and 4 g/day taurine. This is the core of my afib remissiby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
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Tom, I don't think there is any financial incentive to do the tests you're talking about, since nattokinase is a natural product and (I presume) not patentable. Your approach - self testing & using yourself as your own control - is what I would do, especially when how it works on you, not some other group of people is what counts the most. Georgeby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
Paul, Here is a search on UK ablation for this site: < Georgeby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
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Peggy, Thanks for posting! Georgeby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
Paul, I would pursue the "Strategy," especially as it relates to magnesium, potassium & taurine. Some of us have found that taking these supplements help flecainide work better. I only take flec on-demand to convert myself (or pill-in-pocket "PIP" ), but seem to have a quicker conversion if I load up with the electrolytes as I take the flec. I also take them continualby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
Shannon, Great news!!!! Drug free NSR - yeah!!! Georgeby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
Paul, Sounds adrenergic to me. Certainly not pure vagal. Sometimes betablockers can keep an adrenergic person in NSR, but it sounds like your naturally low heart rate may preclude using a high enough dose to do this. If you detrained, would your resting heart rate come up significantly? If you were out of rhythm for 2 years, it may be difficult to stay in NSR for any length of time wiby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
Paul, I'm no thyroid expert, but 12 years ago I had a cat with hyperthyroidism. The treatment was radioactive iodine. As I recall, there was a small tumor on the thyroid. The iodine went preferentially to the tumor and killed it. My recollection is this worked pretty well with the cat (who was 19 at the time). Other than he was isolated for a bit, it was not hard on him. Is the afby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
Jackie & Tom, Thanks for the heads up. I just sent a note to my dentist's office to note the no-Epi in my file. The last couple of times I've had work that could have justified painkillers, I went without and just curled my toes instead... Georgeby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
AF, I've never seen anything about combining flec and propafanone. As I mentioned I'd wouldn't do it without an OK from a doc. Georgeby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
Not unless you talk to a doc... I don't know what happens if you double up.by GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
John, It wasn't really deliberate on my part. As I've written, I take a lot of mag. Right now it tends to be 2 g as di-magnesium glycinate powder, 0.4 g as mag glycinate, 0.3 g as mag bicarbonate (Waller Water). In the past I've also used mag chloride. It really is inertia that took me away from the chloride as I have it as large crystals and I make up a 2 liter solution ofby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
Tom, Yes I take flec PIP. Yes I will use it if needed in the future. While I don't discount issues with fluoride (heck, calcium was the issue with my afib for nearly a year of increased episodes), I look at afib as a much more pressing issue than fluoride. Especially using flec infrequently as PIP, I'm not overly concerned. Perhaps it makes sense to supplement with significant doby GeorgeN - GENERAL HEALTH FORUM
Jackie, I appreciate your efforts here. My thought - is this a first order problem or a 10th order problem. For example, strokes are a first order problem. Potential calcification caused by warfarin is, in my opinion a 5th or 6th order problem. It is real, it is a problem, but if you stroke out, it doesn't matter. And you can potentially offset this issue by supplementing with 50mby GeorgeN - GENERAL HEALTH FORUM