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QuoteElizabeth my Cal. has always run about the same 9.5 with lab values being 8.6 to 10.4 The body tries to keep serum levels of Ca (and Mg) constant, so would not expect a change unless something dramatic was going on. In other words serum levels of these is not a sensitive marker.by GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
Quotesafib Recent analysis of RCT trials showed no significant relationship between D levels and afib onset sciencedirect.com Moreover, the only analysis of excessive D (more than 100 ng/ml) in the literature that I can find showed that it increases risk of afib by factor of 2.5 ncbi.nlm.nih.gov I would be curious what source Gundry is employing to recommend 100 ng/ml and his own 120 ng/mlby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
I'd probably change dosage of one at a time and see what happens. Here is a thread from 2006. Gunnar, the OP, is a very bright chemist from Sweden who had worked in the US < . Another paper < Georgeby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
Quotemwcf I'd like to supplement with D3 but am concerned given my genetic tendency towards I high IC Calcium and low IC Mg levels. I also find Mg supplementation difficult as bowel intolerance arrives very quickly and persistently. I also tend towards high ferritin (200-400 historically). A tricky one! Mike, Ferritin can either be excess iron or an indicator of inflammation. If it isby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
QuoteElizabeth She said I was in AF only a total of 2.7%, she said I wasn't in it very long. I doubt if she is the math wizard that you are and neither am I. It also leads me to wonder about how good these pacemakers are in recording my AF info. Your math makes sense, it is possible, the only thing is she said I wasn't in AF for very long. Liz You might ask them for a report oby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
Quotekatesshadow Edited to add: I have sat outside for the last couple of days (wasn't sunny enough today). It's finally Spring here (Atlanta area) and I should be able to be out most days. Am I right in thinking the sun exposure will do more to raise my levels? (I still plan on supplementing). Kate, our doc, Steven Gundry wants our 25OHD level around 100 ng/mL or better (he runs hiby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
Liz, Wondering if she meant you were in afib 2.7% of each day you were in afib or 2.7% of the time for the last 6 months? 6 days/182.5 days (assuming an exact 6 month window) = 3.3%. Ratioing 2.7%/3.3% x 24 hours = 19.6 hours. In the ballpark of what you've reported. Another way to do the math 0.027x 182.5 = 4.93 days in afib. 4.93/6x24= 19.7 hours/day of afib for each of those sby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
QuoteGill I just wonder how much magnesium would you get if you took the Milk of Magnesia neat? I wouldn’t do it, of course because of bowel tolerance issues, I’m just curious! Gill I make my own MOM from magnesium hydroxide powder. I put 29g of magnesium hydroxide in 12 fl oz (354 mL) of water. I used to make mag bicarb, but rarely do now as it is too dilute for my unusual needs and theby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
QuoteMack Hi George, I will look into the vagus nerve ablation concept - there is much that I have yet to get my head around on this! Thank you for your insight. Mack. Here are two searches on the topic: w dogs < humans < Georgeby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
I’m a non ablatee, so haven’t paid huge attention. However I recall that ablating part of the vagus nerve connection to the heart may account for the HR elevation. Also this is part of the reason for ablation success. Years ago recall reading a paper where they induced afib in dogs and were able to reverse it with vagus nerve ablation. Georgeby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
Quotelds001 I wish I had your guys attitude.......so laid back about it...how did you get there? My first afib episode, I didn't know what I had and went to the ER. Realized then, that for me, afib is not an ER event. I created a plan to deal with afib, which was accepted by the EP (it was my plan, not his) 14.5 years ago. It has evolved to include detraining from endurance activity, rby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
I travel all the time. In fact am on a trip right now. My protocol includes PIP (on-demand) flecainide to convert me when I go out of rhythm. I do bring this with me. I don't use a beta blocker with it. There is a risk the flec could bring on high rate flutter, though this has not happened. Though my episodes are infrequent, I have used the flec for 14.5 years in this on-demand fashionby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
QuoteZb3 Well that really sucks then. I have done heavy bench press ever since I was 17 years old, and would regularly lift 250-300 pounds. So everything else is fine to do aside from bench and overhead press? Going to lose a lot of strength doing bench press at just my body weight. I guess life really is unfair. I had started to limit bench to 80% of my 1rm but man, as low as body weight it is tby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
QuoteThe Anti-Fib I wonder if Arnold Schwarzenegger had AF he must have done a lot of heavy lifting. liz I am not sure where I read it, but I have seen multiple references to Arnold and other Bodybuilders developing Valve problems along with AFIB. < QuoteShannon Just a quick note, Dr Natale just cautions Afibbers not to do very heavy bench and overhead presses above body weight .by GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
QuoteElizabeth The Hunzas live a robust life past 100 years, they don't eat a keto diet, they do a little fasting and don't overeat, they eat a lot of veggies, yogurt, grains, nuts and a little meat. Liz It doesn't appear that the Hunza keep records, so pretty hard to document their actual life expectancy. It does appear that their health span and life span are very closeby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
QuoteGhost George helped me understand the important of Sodium as well. Many low carb diets have you drinking a lot of water, which depletes MG, K and Sodium. It was the sodium that was getting me to have skipped beats. Low carb diets, especially when going through the keto or fat adaptation stage can cause electrolyte disturbances. This is because of the natriuresis of fasting. In other woby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
QuoteCatherine The “ncbi” link is interesting. Two criteria for cardioversion for the 29 y.o.; one, patient has to be on anti-coagulant and two, a digital rectal exam to eliminate occult blood. The patient converts. The article, however, does not commit to the digital exam as the only way to convert to sinus because the patient was also put on a beta blocker. George...correct me, if I’ve mby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
Interesting that in the study < they excluded patients with afib & flutter. Valsalva or other vagal maneuvers have been known to be successful in afibbers who are generally adrenergic. Usually doesn't work for those who have a vagal trigger. Just makes you more vagal, whereas it will reverse the high adrenergic tone in those with that trigger. Glad it worked for you. Heby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
My bit on exercise. Chronic fitness was my path to afib at age 49, neatly 15 years ago. This is true for many who come to afib in their 40’s and 50’s. Detraing endurance exercise is part of my successful afib remission program. I focus on minimum effective dose. Our founding moderator, Hans, wrote this: < For those who are metabolically challenged with afib, exercise may be beneficial (i.by GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
Certainly, as I've posted before, getting the body to adapt to ketosis can cause electrolyte shifts which can lead to afib or other rhythm issues. In my case, I was aware of this risk, took it and had one afib episode during the adaptation period and none in the 9.5 years since.. The issue I have with this study is that the diet was based on food frequency questionnaires, which are a veryby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
Quotekatesshadow I guess I misunderstood remodeling. I thought it was similar to Afib begets Afib. There is both electrical and physical remodeling. Quotekatesshadow George, did you try the entire 2.5 month to get out of A Fib and then go to e Flec? In the two months prior to the 2.5 month episode, I learned I could convert many episodes with exercise. However that did not work for thby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
Quotekatesshadow But, does having long periods of time between episodes remodel the heart in a good way? I started my afib "career" in July 2004. At the end of August 2004 i started what turned out to be a 2.5 month episode. I terminated it with 300 mg flecainide on Nov 5. Not an auspicious beginning with that long an episode. That termination took 20 hours as did the next, a mby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
QuoteJoe Thanks George! I'll compare my 23&me results as soon as i get time. Not sure if you've done this, but you can download your raw data file from 28andMe, then upload < for a nominal fee. My experience is that except for some "big" (high impact) SNP's like ApoE4 & Brca1 (also methylation Snp's) it is hard to meaningfully interpret the results.by GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
QuoteJoe Has anybody got info on the 30? . In Promethease I've got 7 "good" SNPs, 2 bad and 9 unknown related to afib on 23 & me. I'm good on the two SNP's he mentions. Here are all the afib SNP's in Snpedia <by GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
QuoteNancy2 Any suggestions for getting leg edema down welcomed! Hi Nancy, this is a shot in the dark, but the natriuresis of fasting comes to mind. Because your situation is complex with afib & the pulmonary hypertension, I really thought hard about even posting this. Periodic fasting combined with a low carb diet could be useful. However, in your situation I would opt for supervisiby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
QuoteJoe George, imagine if everybody decided to eat like you - Lots of hospital space could be used for low cost housing and doctors would have to get part time jobs I can see the value in what you are doing but i am doubtful i could do it for any length of time. Managed keto for a few weeks but i like fruit too much. My longest fast (prior to AF) was 5 or 6 days which was ok. Not game to do itby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
QuoteElizabeth Lots of vegetables and a little fruit, I know you said you eat eggs but I don't see any meat listed, I thought you did eat meat. I wonder why it is that I have to eat meat to get my protein without it I have no energy. I do eat veggies and fruit but couldn't live on it. From what you have said you can do all that you do on what you eat is amazing. Liz Hi Liz,by GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
QuoteJoe Hi George, Thanks for the post on the values of your wife's tests! Looks like i would have lost betting on 4/4s not being suitable for keto adaption. Must have gotten the wrong impression from listening to Peter Attia M.D. mentioning that some people aren't candidates for a keto diet like his friend, Zubin Damania, M. D. for example. Haven't listened to that episode.by GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
QuoteJoe Wonder if your wife is keto adapted as well and how she is faring? Don't answer if this question is too intrusive. Yes, we basically follow the same program. She fasts 16 hours a day & her mid-day meal is some nuts. Neither of us test ketones/glucose frequently as we really don't need to. We both tested immediately after having our blood drawn for our Gundry labs inby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
Concur with Carey. Having high rates (>100) for a material amount of time can lead to cardiomyopathy.by GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM