If it were me, I'd take "therapeutic" doses of magnesium (whatever that is for you) to "blast" it out. Milk of magnesia (the active ingredient being magnesium hydroxide) usually works, or higher doses of magnesium citrate - like those used before a colonoscopy. A squeeze bottle enema available at the pharmacy, may also work in short order. These approaches all have inby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
QuotePompon It's really interesting. If the idea is increasing the CO2 level in blood, would it theroretically be effective (and less violent) breathing in a paper bag ? I'm thinking about this because during one of my early afib attacks, I did the opposite. I took deep breaths repeatedly, trying to recover and standing up, but of course I couldn't. I had so much O2 in excess thatby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
QuoteCarey I think there's a much simpler explanation here: keep blowing out hard What you did was actually a Valsalva maneuver, which has long been known to terminate atrial arrhythmias in some people. I know for sure when I was doing my breath hold it was not a Valsalva maneuver, as it was done on an exhale and there was no pressure build up only a build up of CO2. What Liz descrby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
Liz, Great news!! When I first posted this, I hoped that it might be effective for some instead of taking PIP meds to convet. Don't know what Liz did, but the idea is to accumulate CO2 in your lungs and therefore in your serum. Hence a normal breath in a normal breath out, then hold as long as you can. When you have to breath, try to breath in only through the nose as calmly as possiblby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
Quotewhitehaven i'd prefer not to have to keep increasing my dosage. currently taking 4mg, 7 days a week. People with different genetics will metabolize Coumadin differently. Don't recall the SNP's but I know I would need more if I took it (I was on it 14 years ago for 3 months). From this great time distance, I recall I took significantly more than what you are taking. Geby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
QuoteJoe Thanks George! Deuterium depleted water consumption is new for me. Just googled a bit - interesting! The DDW is an (expensive) experiment. I'm making 105 ppm water as I tested our source water and coming out of the RO filter. As the ultimate source of our water is snowmelt, the domestic water is relatively low (130 ppm - sea water is 155 ppm).. I have a family member with a gby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
QuoteJoe Incidentally, my drinking water is distilled with 1/16 teaspoon potassium carbonate + 1/16 tspsodium bicarb, tri-Mg Citrate 900mg and 1/16 tsp pink salt in 3.5 litre of water. Just mentioning it in case somebody can hopefully tell me if i'm on the wrong track. Joe, I don't know what is optimal. I just made up water - in 4 gallons, which included 6 liters of 65 ppm deuteriumby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
QuoteJoe I take it that you guys don't agree with him? Joe, I have a huge amount of respect for Dr. Noakes (who, off topic, just won the slam case against him on appeal!!! < ). I try not to over or under hydrate. My guide, if I have any question, is urine color. I want mine to have a bit of color, but certainly not dark or really clear. I put sodium bicarb, potassium citrateby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
QuoteThe Anti-Fib I am not an expert in this, but is seems to me this is pretty basic, that if one holds there breath during Exercise, creating an Acute Oxygen deprivation, that the Atria will stretch out. This can contribute greatly to having an AFIB episode. Though I wasn't wearing an SpO2 meter, I doubt if I was creating significant O2 depravation. Though it certainly can be done, inby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
QuoteKen I wonder why there isn't more scientific research supporting the claims. Who is incentivized to fund the research? Mag sulfate and mag chloride are commodities. The Epsom Salt Council funded the study you linked. When people have told me they have severe cramps in their leg, I've suggested they make a supersaturated solution of epsom salts and water and apply it topiby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
Quotecolindo Great post George, So the next time I go into Afib I take a deep breath or 2 and hold for 30 seconds or as long as I can. I must try it. NO!!!! If you want to try this for conversion (also don't suggest this for those who aren't basically healthy), next time you go into afib, take a small breath in, a small breath out (repeating one or more times) then hold yourby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
I have a near infrared heat lamp sauna (4x250W heat lamps) in a 2.5'x4' shower that I insulated with Reflectix (thin, aluminum faced bubble wrap). It generally is only in the range of 104-110 deg F, however the near infrared will certainly heat the body. I usually sweat profusely for the 36 minutes I spend in it (on most days). Also almost all my workouts are in the full sun with onlby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
From one of the papers cited by Ashmead,< " Results: For the patient group as a whole, Mg absorption was low but was not different for the two supplements (23.5% vs 22.8% for magnesium chelate and MgO, respectively). However, Mg absorption was substantially greater from the chelate (23.5% vs 11.8%; p <.05) in the four patients who showed the greatest impairment of magnesium absorptionby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
Mike, I think the bicarb is very bioavailable. Dumping protons is a good thing. In Jackie's first link, it says Stephen Ashmead, MS, MBA, is a Senior Fellow for Balchem Corporation. Turns out Balchem owns Albion that makes the mag glycinate product. < Now, I think Albion makes a good product, I purchase their di-magnesium malate powder in 3 pound bags. My own experience,by GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
I should also note that you can see apena in a tachogram - beat to beat heart rate vs time. There is a presentation on this using a tachogram from a Holter monitor. I noticed these apnea patterns in tachgrams in an overnight use of a recording (R to R) heart rate monitor. After taping my mouth at night and practicing the breathing exercises, my tachograms cleaned up nicely. Here is a PPT onby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
Quick look: Serum CO2 lengthens ERP, and slows conduction This may be why apnea creates a risk for afib (slowed conduction after the apnea). There may be an opportunity to use this to convert episodes without meds (I did this). There may be an opportunity to put afib in remission (speculation) by training the serum CO2 chemoreceptor to accept a much higher steady state level of CO2. There apby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
Hey Beardman, As chronic fitness can bring on afib, perhaps figuring out your minimum effective dose on exercise would be in order and use fasting/adjustment of macros to control your weight rather than cardio. The magnesium supplement is good. From Dr. Carolyn Dean, you'd like your RBC mag in the 6-6.5 range. If not there, I'd suggest increasing your supplement to near bowel tolerby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
In one of Day's papers that he cites: < "The presence of AF increased hs-CRP across the CHADS2 score strata is supportive of the concept that AF is an inflammatory process and may convey independent risk." doesn't correlate with my personal experience. Even during the midst of my 2.5 month episode, my hsCRP was <1. In the last 3 years, it has ranged from 0.3-0.5 mg/dL.by GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
Carey, my mistake, thanks. Yes, I'm guessing they do isolate if they need to, but a good question to ask.by GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
Quotemwcf vanlith, Cost at Bordeaux is 16,555 Euro 'all in' including 4 nights stay in hospital accommodation for you and your partner (they monitor you via telemetry for 3 days after the procedure). One needs to bear in mind, however, that a second 'touch-up' procedure - as and if required - would cost the same again. To the best of my knowledge a typically paroxysmalby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
Quotevanlith You pretty much decided/confirmed what i am going to do. Not to dissuade you from going to Dr. Natale, but if you don't have US health insurance, the team in Bordeaux with Drs. Haïssaguerre, Hocini, and Jaïs are excellent and at a material cost advantage. My understanding is the cost is in the $20,000US range. In my subjective ranking, I'd put them a tiny bit belowby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
Early on in my afib career, exercise conversions worked for me. First time, I'd put on an old Polar monitor and went out to see what my rate would do in exercise. I found my rate was 145 on fast walking, where in NSR it would be much less than 100 in NSR at the same effort. I was doing this in the city and had to sprint to avoid a car. My monitor went to 230, then NSR. That evening,by GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
Quotewolfpack That's a different process for each person, I'd guess. For me, I decided to test the theory that AF wasn't life threatening. My first set of doctors gave me horrible advice (take benzo, stay out of the gym, increase beta blocker, etc). I said the hell with all that and went to the gym anyway. I couldn't run, so I decided to speed walk outside as fast as I could.by GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
QuoteGill Following advice on this site I started taking magnesium, made no difference. I then added magnesium, slight improvement. Then I added Taurine and there was a huge difference - I thought they had stopped, but another Holter showed they were still happening, I just don’t feel them any more. Gill I'm guessing Gill meant potassium for the second magnesium.by GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
Quotewhitehaven yes, I do mean green leafy veggies without having to increase Coumadin levels. I prefer to be on a drug that's been around for 50 plus years instead of the newer drugs. As Jackie says, consistency of intake of greens is the key. I would not worry that your dose of warfarin may increase to offset the greens. You just want to be consistent. Also, in Han's new strokeby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
QuoteJoe Hmm, read the previous book only a few months ago. Wonder if updates/new insights are available separately? Joe, the Kindle version is only $7.99 (US), I'd order that (and if not aware, can be read on PCs, Macs & phones with a Kindle app, so you don't need a Kindle device).by GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
I'm also working my way through this book. I think Hans has done an excellent job as usual. Hans founded this site and ran it for many years. QuoteHans' Bio Hans Larsen is a Professional Engineer and holds a Master’s degree in Chemical Engineering from the Technical University of Denmark. He developed a lifelong interest in biochemistry and nutrition through his early studies withby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
14 years ago, I was working out my remission strategy. The mag/potassium/taurine idea that is commonly used here did not exist. There were indications that each might be helpful, but I was trying to work this out for myself. After trying many things, using PAC counts on a recording monitor monitor as a metric (I recall I was monitoring for 30 minutes and then going back and counting PACs &by GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
I'm wondering if those that have success initially had many comorbidities which they could eliminate. From my observation, many with the comorbidities were adrenergic. Many of the very aggressive lifestyle modifiers here were fit and vagal and came to the afib party with an excess of exercise. Hence they had less they could modify. That being said, it is usually very difficult for thoseby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
Quotevanliththis time with a more reliable brand of Taurine i have purchased.. Would you mind sharing the brand. Georgeby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM