I would say it varies by person. In my case I tended to push magnesium to bowel tolerance, I have no kidney issues (important) < , so have pushed potassium as high as 8 g/day, but have ranged from 1 to 5g/day and taurine is 2-4 g/day. I'd start low, work up and see how you feel and if you notice any difference with your afib. Doesn't work for everyone and we are all different.by GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
QuoteAnneC I am sure l have daily episodes, most lasting several hours. My question to you all: what, if anything, do you do to try to convert? So some vagal afibbers can convert episodes with exercise, I could during the first couple of months of my afib journey, 14 years ago. Then I had a 2.5 month episode that wouldn't convert ( ultimately converted with 300 mg flecainide). Iby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
QuoteFrankInFlorida "My suggestion would be to decrease your flec dosage gradually and see what happens. The Metoprolol is likely not keeping you in rhythm, but will mitigate the risk that flec could put you in atrial flutter. It is most likely the reason you feel tired. Once you've reduced the flec (you can do this with a pill cutter if you need to), then step the Metoprolol down. Youby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
Quotelizzie George thank you very much for that information. Breathing has always been a problem for me when I'm nervous, I get that feeling I'm just not filling up my lungs, so I end up over breathing, never really thought it could trigger afib while I'm sleeping. Not saying it will trigger afib, but it is possible (and can also lead to apnea). I've been taping my mouth sby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
QuotePompon Jackie, George, I was wondering if blood sugar level might be involved in this recurrent phenomenon, and I got an answer early this morning. If there's a coincidence, I'd like to know which one. Let me explain... I wrote it in another thread: the only obvious reason to get afib is I'm afib free for at least 48h. If someone has a good explanation, I'll takby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
Quotelizzie Over breathing while sleeping? Yep, pretty common. Patrick McKeown has worked with thousands of people on this. Here is an interview of him that is a reasonable intro < Or you can just read the transcript here < There is lots more, Patrick has a lot of interviews, books, videos & etc. and there are others in this space, too. If you want an idea how well you areby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
Pretty common for afibbers with a vagal trigger to have early morning episodes. Among other things, I think it is a diurnal low for potassium < , also could be night time hypoglycemia, apnea, overbreathing during sleep...by GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
QuoteFrankInFlorida Thanks George, wow it's like us "patients" eventually have to know the full medical and pharmaceutical spectrum just to understand why we don't feel well (and why we are at risk etc), amazing knowledge that George / Wolfpack / Carey / Shannon / Jackie and others here have So the funny part here Frank is that other than Jackie, everybody you mentioned hasby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
QuoteFrankInFlorida Wow. Maybe I missed it, but beyond Metoprolol (which deals with rate), were you put on Flecainide or anything else for heart rhythm? That's pretty wild that you hit the high blood pressure and heart rate, but this Afib is like a swiss army knife of freaking surprises LOL. QuotejuanLopez1245 So they sent me home on Wednesday and increased the sotolol to 120 mg twice aby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
Hi Mike, there can be a little powder on the skin on the chest, but usually not bad. It's kind of like putting talcum powder on. Some on the internet talk about using the MoM liquid for this purpose. You could also dissolve the deodorant in some water to make your own MoM for that purpose. In any case, it seems to work well, is inexpensive, I'm not putting the pile of chemicals on mby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
The DOI isn't active yet, so can't look at the paper. I would bet anything that the average afibber in a GPs office has comorbidities and higher CADS2VASC scores. They have higher stroke risk even if they don't have afib. I've spent a lot of time and effort to not have hyperinsulinemia. If your insulin response is elevated, many bad things can happen.by GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
CHADS2VASC score?? Other comorbities.by GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
As an aside, I started using the mag hydroxide powder as underarm deodorant. I had an old glass spice shaker (like cinnamon), with a shaker top that I put it in. I then shake it into my hand and spread on my armpits after a shower. It works pretty well, means I don't need to use the more toxic chemicals in the commercial deodorant and is an extra bit of mag coming into my body through myby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
See this, Mike recently followed up so this is current, I think. <by GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
Hi Mike, So molar mass of magnesium hydroxide is 58.3 and of elemental mag is 24.3. Hence the stuff is 24.3/58.3 = 0.417 or 41.7% mag by weight. The powder I have is not dense. My scale only measures in grams, one level tsp showed 2 and two level tsps showed 5. So I'm guessing a tsp is about 2.5 g. 2.5 x 0.417 = 1.04 or about 1 g of mag per tsp of the powder. According to thby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
Mike, I could work it out. I've not done it with the soda water as I tend to use the vinegar. The acetate turns into bicarb in the body and it is simpler - you don't need to chill the soda water and the reaction is very fast, so I don't have to plan ahead -- just do it. I'll try to remember to weigh the powder on my gram scale at home and work it out in measuring spby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
Mike, I've bought powdered magnesium hydroxide here in the US. This stuff is available through Amazon <. This is what is in MoM. By the way, you can also make magesium acetate by reacting mag hydroxide (in either powder or liquid) with vinegar. The ratio of the liquids is 2:7 (MoM to vinegar). I use organic apple cider vinegar for this. For much more on this, go to the tinyurlby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
I know the moderator, Shannon has both a pacemaker and a Kardia.by GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
QuotePompon In this case, I've never tried letting things go and see if I'll go back to SR as quickly as usual. Always swallowed my pill immediately... Subsequent to using PIP flec for the first time, I also have used it on every episode. My goal is to spend absolutely as little time in afib as possible, to minimize any electrical or physical remodeling.by GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
Joey, One contributor to vagal afib, and early morning episodes are commonly vagal, is chronic fitness. This was certainly true in my case (long duration, high heart rate, endurance activities). In my case, detraining from this was a big part of my afib remission strategy (in addition to magnesium, potassium & taurine). While I remain very fit, I do other things. Also, if I push my luby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
Frank, Would you say your triggers are vagal or adrenergic? See: < The reason I ask is that, while a beta blocker can mitigate the flutter risk that Wolfpack refers to (which is very real), it can also make it more likely for a vagal afibber to go into afib. My understanding is that Propafenone has beta blocking built in and may be subject to the same issue. This does present an isby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
QuoteJoe Thanks for these very relevant links! I'm thinking of installing (DIY) a sauna. Not quite sure what type. Infrared sounds good but the EMFs??? One of the take outs from listening to the Finnish Cardiologist's study is the frequency and temperatures (4 -7/week and 79 deg. C.) for maximum benefit. No lower cutoff for temperature benefit was mentioned? Also, the baseline wasby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
QuoteFrankInFlorida George, re: "... out of rhythm in the 2.5 month episode. My rate was low in afib ~80 BPM", I'm newly into the Afib world, but my heartrate (bouncing) was from 80 to 155 BPM. I'm curious how you were maintaining around 80 BPM, and how you knew you went into Afib, though BPM was reasonable? Frank, my 80 BPM was just how it was at the time. Now that woby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
What Wolfpack said.by GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
I should note, I've assumed the 20 hour conversion on my episode after the 2.5 month was due to "atrial stunning." In other words, the atria were still recovering from the 2.5 month episode. Another aside. I felt I was doing really well out of rhythm in the 2.5 month episode. My rate was low in afib ~80 BPM. I could do a lot physically, though I subsequently decided that doby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
Frank, I've had afib for 14 years. The first 4 months ended in a 2.5 month episode. I converted it with a 300 mg dose of flec. That took 20 hours. A month later had another episode that took 20 hours to convert. Subsequently, I've used 300 mg flec to convert every episode I've had. Generally I convert in a little over an hour but the range is 10 minutes (once), 25 minutesby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
Won't solve your current problem, but talk to your doc about using potassium citrate as a future preventative for stones. You can either use OTC or a prescription version < Turns out that it is the citrate that is the active ingredient. It will change urine pH and reduce the likely hood of future stones by ~85% (as I recall - stats should be in the prescribing info on the link I postedby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
My suggestion would be to decrease your flec dosage gradually and see what happens. The Metoprolol is likely not keeping you in rhythm, but will mitigate the risk that flec could put you in atrial flutter. It is most likely the reason you feel tired. Once you've reduced the flec (you can do this with a pill cutter if you need to), then step the Metoprolol down. You may find there is aby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
LAA morphology has been discussed here previously, here is a search and most of the hits are relevant < QuoteJoe BTW, an interesting Sauna study at the end of your link, Liz Thanks for posting! The sauna study is interesting, it rotated off the link, so here is what Joe was referring to: < Dr. Rhonda Patrick has looked at this a lot. She interviews Dr. Jari Laukkanen, who has studby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
Quotemwcf (Since no-one wants to talk about RF balloon ablation ) This may be helpful for the guys who are less skilled (not that it wouldn't help the top tier guys), however my take is that it isn't helpful beyond a standard PVI. Because of my 2.5 month episode at the beginning of my "career" 14 years ago, I'm likely a "complex" case and this would do meby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM