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QuoteDean Some afibbers seem to be a bit confused between the natto food and the nattokinase supplement. Some are abbreviating nattokinase to "natto" adding to the confusion. I think to clarify the situation when we are talking about the actual natto food we should always add the "food" onto the end of natto. For example, Elizabeth's post above states: "Shannonby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
QuoteJackie George - Yes, there is the 48-hour window 'rule' but based on my experience (here), but that doesn't mean you can show up at hour 47 and expect to have the cardioversion. I found it necessary to make the decision to call in advance for assistance at about hour 24 duration. I would call and they would give me an approximate arrival time. There would be a certaby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
Liz, In your situation, I'd probably continue doing what you are doing. From what you've described, the bleeding risk and other known reactions outweigh the stroke risk for afib. Especially since you have relatively short episodes. As I recall, they have a 48 hour window they will do cardioversion without prior anticoagulation of a TEE. You are well within that window. No guaraby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
Also sounds like you might be vagal. In addition to the electrolyte issue Wolfpack talked about, the spicyness might cause a vagal reaction from the stomach. In my case, I am vagal. As long as my electrolytes are optimized, Vagal triggers don't bother me. However, if I skip on magnesium or have too much calcium, it is another matter. Sounds like not pushing the top end of spicy miby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
If you are staying in bed, my understanding is that drops the risk of flutter. I believe that instruction was from EP Dr. John Mandrola, who himself is an afibber and has used flec.by GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
Carey, Of course, however, since Calli has experience with flec, I assume she will know what rate she converts to. My understanding is that flec has a somewhat adrenergic effect, hence conversion to a higher than normal resting rate. This rate will decline as the concentration of the flec decreases in the system. The average half life of Metoprolol is 3-4 hours and flec 12, so the adrenergby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
QuoteCC66 He also said I should be taking 12.5 mg Metoprolol every time I take my 100 mg Flecainide for my episodes, to prevent a flecainide-induced double-speed arrhythmia (sorry, I don't know the name for this---he said if you take flec when you have flutter not afib, it causes this issue). When I read the contraindications for Metoprolol, they include 2 things that I have: bradycardia andby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
QuoteKen Why the wait for the cardioversion? I only had one early in my 6 yrs of diagnosed a-fib, and that was done immediately in the ER and then home an hour later. From then on, I always converted on my own, so no more cardioversions. Possibly because he needs to be anticoagulated for a time (3-4 weeks as I recall) if they or ins. won't let them do a TEE.by GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
G2 ingredients: water, sucrose, dextrose, citric acid, natural flavor, salt, sodium citrate, monopotassium phosphate, gum arabic, glycerol ester of rosin, yellow 5, brominated vegetable oil, yellow 6. There was a lady from Wales, Fran Ross, who posted here 13 and more years ago. By avoiding many things in processed food, she was able to reverse a 20 year afib history. (her story starts onby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
The issue with cardioversions is to how to keep the heart in rhythm afterward. As Cary suggests, I'd make a Natale appointment now, even before cardioversion. He can always cancel if the cardioversion is successful and he stays in NSR. Georgeby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
A family member has a grade IV glioblastoma, in the hospital I was shocked to see they used Gatorade to replete the electrolytes after brain surgery. Glios are very glycolitic (meaning feed on glucose) tumors. When this person got home, gave him bags of sodium chloride and potassium bicarb to make water solutions with the same electrolyte concentrations as Gatorade.by GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
Dean, The key is to go to Advanced Search (below search) < Then make sure you choose "All Dates" plus whatever else you are looking for. Cheers, Georgeby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
Here is a search on what Dean has written over the years on Natto < This is a link to his early experience: < At one time, Dean posted a link as to how the bacteria used to culture natto was used by the Germans In N Africa in WWII to cure dysentery - they noticed the natives eating fresh camel dung when they were sick and it cured them. Their scientists then figured out it was Bacillby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
Liz, We do them 2x/year. They do run through our insurance. In our case, we have a 25% copay, which is about $500 for each of us and $1500 for the insurance co each time we have the labs run. Dr. G considers all his patients as participants in his trials. Hence he runs a very extensive set of labs on us. Not saying everybody needs this. Our July labs ran to over 20 pages from three diffby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
Joe & Liz, Dr. G always tells us to "get our numbers in line & then see what we can get away with." There is a lot of individuality. In my wife's & my case, we can see it in our labs when we avoid the foods on his "don't eat" list. I've always had autoimmune issues. My wife didn't think she did, but she saw a fairly dramatic lowerinby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
QuoteJoe George N. I read 'The End of Alzheimer's' by Dr Bredesen - impressive work. Lucky man to have dinner with him! Joe, I was in the same position llmercll is asking about (I know I have a genetic risk, what should I do about it), but with respect to Alzheimers. My mom had it and I have a genetic risk. So I sought out doctors, researchers and groups that knew about it. Atby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
Liz, At your age, you are probably fine to continue doing what you are doing. If it ain't broke... This is a link to the show Liz is talking about: < This is Dr. Bredesen's book: < This is a more in depth interview with Dr. Bredesen < There are certainly others, but this is a good one. Here is a more detailed version of the story of the lady, Deborah, on the show:by GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
Liz, That is Dr. Dale Bredesen. I've met him a number of times and been at dinner with his wife and him several times. He is a great guy. Haven't seen the Oz show, but his book is excellent. As to fasting, there are a number of benefits. For what Dr. Bredesen is describing (and he would like people with the ApoE4 gene to fast more like 16 hours/day). There are some builtby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
limcerll, Gave your question some more thought. If I knew what I know now and also knew I had a genetic risk, what would I do at age 30. First, given a genetic risk, the biggest causes of afib: metabolic issues (usually presents at age >60) excess alcohol consumption ("Holiday Heart Syndrome.") (can present anytime) chronic fitness (usually presents at age <60) byprby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
There were some folks here that did mini mazes and posted about them 5-10 years ago. I recall one person who was a vocal advocate. Wouldn't be my first choice...by GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
Quotellmercll I just had a 23andme done and found I have a 2 afib genes reported in ~20% of the population. Also MTHFR but APOE2/3. Since height and genetics are factors in afib onset, I'm statistically more likely to develop the disease. I've seen my aunt suffer multiple ablations/cardioversions/er visits and am trying to do everything I can to prevent having to go through that myself.by GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
Shannon, Can't recall the person you are speaking of. Dean, Great to hear from you!! I do recall your story in real time from the beginning. I tried natto for a time, but after 9-12 months determined that the soy wasn't for me (when certain digestive issues cleared up after traveling without a natto supply). Magnesium was my ticket to remission and remains so to this dayby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
QuoteJoe Doesn't Dr John say that even when the LAA is isolated the patient must remain on anticoagulants? Pretty sure he does. If afib originates from the LAA then it could be of some benefit???? In these trials, they were putting in the Watchman without isolating the LAA. Dr. John points out that afib can come from elsewhere. A Tier 1 guy like Natale will a) try to eliminate afib witby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
Looks like they were using the Watchman in the trials without fixing the afib. That doesn't make sense. Usually Watchman is mentioned on this site to be used after an LAA ablation and afib is fixed. Also agree with Mandrola that it makes sense to fix all the metabolic issues. That is true for everyone, afibber or not.by GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
QuoteElizabeth I have been on this site for many years and have noticed that most people need a second and sometimes third Ablation, even if they had Dr. Natale do them. I would think that after an ablation a person would not have to be on blood thinners yet many still are. Seems like these ablations still need more work and study. Liz Hey Liz, Dr. Natale is conservative in that heby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
Magnesium is natures calcium channel blocker. So my suggestion is to push it to bowel tolerance.by GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
QuoteStarwarsfan I wondered about this too, if you could maybe get your pro time or INR rates checked or another one like PTT or aPTT to determine if your blood was thin from supplements? I want to take curcumin for instance and want to take fish oil, etc. but I don't want my blood to get to them or not be able to clot at all I suppose... has anyone done these tests while they were on suppleby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
Maybe a calcium channel blocker to take on-demand when you know you are going on that type of call. Don't know how fast it'd act and you'd need to intentionally keep your HR down till it did.by GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
You may want to talk to the docs about a prescription for flecainide on demand (or PIP - Pill in Pocket). Since flec worked for you, the idea would be to take it as soon as an episode starts. Since you'd been out of rhythm for 44 hours when you took the flec, if you took it immediately, you might convert faster than 3 hours. The thought being that if you are out of rhythm very little, whyby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
A friend of a friend presented with high rate V tach in July. They thought there might be some vfib so put a shocker vest on him. 3 local EP's said he'd need an ICD plus meds. I put him in touch with Shannon, & Shannon with Natale. He got an ablation in very short order - a couple of weeks. He could not believe it when Natale said he'd likely not need an ICD (implantable dby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM