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HI George, Carolyn Dean MD, who does a lot with magnesium suggest an RBC level between 6 & 6.5 (I actually run mine somewhat higher). Don't know what your activity status is now, but hard training is a known pathway to afib for those with a predisposition. It was my path and detraining - especially endurance training & activity as well as high magnesium intake have kept me inby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
QuoteElizabeth Most people have stress at one time or another, yet they all don't get AF. I would say those that get AF have an affinity for AF, their DNA, in their family etc. Liz Certainly. For example, for those who are chronically fit, the number is something like 20% (don't quote me) who get afib, not 100%. However for people less than 60 who aren't chronically fby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
I've been interested in this for quite a while. There was a poster a number of years back who'd had an early long episode followed by years of good control (similar to my story). Then his control diminished. All the EP's local to him told him all he'd need was a simple PVAI. He contacted the group in Bordeaux and they said the early long episode (some months) meant he'by GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
Hi Liz & Jackie, Here is Peggy's list < There is quite a diversity of solutions. A couple of thoughts, One is that most who figure out a solution, quit posting. I hang around just to try and help. I think there is a window in an afib career where these non-surgical, non chronic pharma solutions have an opportunity to work. If someone waits too long, this window will shby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
My doc has me on 81 mg aspirin (enteric coated) a day - not for anticoagulation but for the anti-inflammatory properties of salicylate. He also has me on 6g/day of fish oil for the same reason (we test for Omega 3 Index and he wants me above 10). I'm 62 and very active. I frequently rip skin off when rock climbing, many days in multiple places. I do notice that my clotting time is a bitby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
Hi LeAnn, Just wondering if you need to be on flec all the time, or if you could taper and just use it on-demand (Pill in Pocket) when you go out of rhythm. It might take a bit more to put you back in rhythm than now, but you wouldn't be on it all the time. - Just my less is more perspective. Georgeby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
I hear you, Ralph. One size doesn't fit all. It is a journey. I know that I tried many things when I had higher calcium intake and didn't realize it was my problem.by GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
Ralph, Perhaps ginger (as in powdered spice) might be useful < After I wrote this, I learned that, for me, calcium was a bad actor and when I reduced its intake, I no longer needed the ginger. In the first few months of my afib journey, in 2004, I also experienced cyclical afib. This did not continue after my 2 1/2 month episode and I added in lots of mag & taurine. Georgeby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
QuoteCindyH I am a former competitive swimmer and have recently read an article about the higher frequency of afib/flutter in swimmers. Hi Cindy, anybody who has been chronically fit is at higher risk, no matter the sport < This can also include weight lifters, as I linked to Shannon's report from Dr. Natale here < and Shannon expanded here < That being said, for the person wby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
Quotewolfpack Should I start with talking with my current doc and bringing up some of the points you guys have discussed or look for an EP? I'm betting he doesn't even know that my afib is vagal. Most of us went the cardiologist route with an EP referral. EPs are more specialized and aren't really a doctor you can check in with routinely. Some cardios don't understand/bby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
Quotesafib To me, common sense suggests routine exercise to failure is a poor choice, and probably more so with heart disease, hypertension, etc.. First, as I noted in one of my posts, I think everyone needs to find what their limits are. Being in remission is a good indication what you are doing is working for you and is a place people need to find before finding their limits. In my case, Iby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
From < Dr. Coumel was the first EP to hypothesize about vaga vs. adrenergic triggers to afib. QuoteProf Philippe Coumel MD “It is known that in well-trained people suffering from vagal AF, the first step of therapyshould be deconditioning by discontinuing high-level training. It may be sufficient to bring about an improvement in the patient and it is often a necessary adjuvant to faciliby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
Quotewolfpack All of this makes me wonder if I should stop my toning routine of 3 sets of 10 bench presses at 160lb twice a week. I didn't think that was an awful lot. I don't know what the right answer is, but I limit myself to either bodyweight exercises (most of the time) or super slow to failure workouts (Fred Hahn, Doug McGuff, Body by Science) - less frequently. The super slowby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
Quoteelo76 Mag Glycinate, retire from bodybuilding and limit or eliminate the alcohol and stay away from MSG and you might not need the meds I can do everything but stop bodybuilding. I've never had it trigger an episode but I've had it convert me back so why would I stop it? Because it appears you are vagal and it is likely making you more vagal... When you are vagal the epiby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
Welcome, It sounds like you are vagal < So your exercise/intense fitness is likely a trigger, but delayed. The cold water was likely a vagal trigger, same with cold food after alcohol. Being vagal, the Toprol XL 50mg can make the episodes more likely. It may be indicated during an episode if your rate goes to high, but all the time for a vagal afibber is not indicated. Alcohol isnby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
QuoteGobears One lead EKG (Alivecor) shows very small p wave but it looks normal on 12 lead. The standard way to use the AliveCor is a Lead I presentation. About half way down this page < he shows a Lead II presentation with a more prominent p wave. The author shows putting the device on the left knee & right hand. I've found I can get this by putting the device arouby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
QuoteTomSeest Glad to have a fellow passenger on this train of thought. I'll keep you posted on my progress. Hi Tom, We will be very interested in your progress! Georgeby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
QuoteElizabeth George: When you go on these 5 day fasts, without any protein don't you lose muscle? Liz The data on people who are keto adapted suggest probably not. If you aren't keto adapted, then the body will use gluconeogenisis to create glucose to feed the brain. For someone who readily fuels on fat/ketones, then this need is much reduced (~80% of the brain's energby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
Hi Jackie, I asked specifically about the biome issue, and he said not a problem & the biome is certainly one of his things. I'll ask about damage "down the line" on my next consult in August. I know he does this himself. I don't worry about bleeding & just let it bleed til it stops. Unless it is getting on furniture or carpet (which isn't an issue outsiby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
Ok, so unlikely low blood volume. Maybe something related to vasovagal syncope, but you are not passing out. I recall a doc who went by PC used to post about some autonomic sensors in the central nervous system that could do things like this (about 10-12 years ago).by GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
Steve, What is your blood pressure usually like? What is your build (height, weight)? Georgeby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
Hi Jackie, Thanks! Interesting links. I realize there are bleeding risks, as with any anti-coagulant. Dr. Gundry prescribed and specified enteric coated 83mg aspirin as he says salicylate activates anti inflammatory properties with the fish oil. Definitely not the standard reason. He is very through when he prescribes and has a very good track record keeping people healthy. It isn'by GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
Quotegmperf It would seem quite reasonable to have a patient have their blood checked for factors that relate to clot time. Though not ablated and having few episodes, I thought about this myself. For non-afib reasons, my doc, Steve Gundry, prescribed 6g/day of fish oil plus 83 mg aspirin/day. I've been on this program for some time and I'm very active. As I rock climb, I frequby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
I concur with Sam. Bordeaux team is spectacular. I also concur that Dr. Ernst is excellent. She's at Royal Brompton. At the very least I'd get a second opinion from Dr. Ernst. I'd chat about needing LAA or left atrial appendage work to solve your problem with any team you are dealing with. As a layperson, your case speaks to this involvement.by GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
Hi Spencer, Though electrolytes, specifically magnesium can help afib, they are very unlikely to convert someone who is in persistent afib, especially since your cardioversion lasted a very short time. Excessive endurance exercise is a common path to afib, it was for me. Limiting it is useful. From an ablation perspective, yours is likely a "complex" case, meaning just ablaby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
Rik, I'll let others who know more talk about the docs in your area. Has your cousin suggested that you add in some electrolytes, specifically magnesium (assume your kidneys are OK - you aren't on dialysis)? One common suggestion here is to start with say 200 mg of magnesium glycinate a day and add an additional 200 mg/day alternating doses between morning & evening till yoby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
Quoteredalfa1961 Previously fully healthy long distance runner, mild hypertension only. no other health issues. I required cardioversions twice over a 16 month period to restore NSR as I had 2 episodes in 16 months, neither would convert on its own. Opted for ablation as wanted to be as aggressive as possible in treating this (I am very active 55 year old) and prevent any long term sequela. Ablaby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
Hi Kevin, On this page, there are several contact links < Including this one, which has a phone number < Good luck, Georgeby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
Hi Clay, In an unusual twist. I posted a link to this thread in another discussion group. A man piped up and said he was doing the same thing (fasting/refeeding), for afib. However he's had a cardioversion which failed after a short time. He's in persistent afib. He's seen some improvement. He's trying to see if this will fix his afib out of the persistent mode. A mby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM