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I would do a google search for terms like "fibrosis post-ablation" or like "Atrial fibrillation remodeling" Medical articles have this sort of stuff in them. I think your too focused on Fibrosis. My understanding is that AF causes electrical remodeling among other things, that helps the AF progress for the worse. Not sure about the statement you made about "most pby The Anti-Fib - AFIBBERS FORUM
Good response Rob. I wasn't trying to denigrate the whole Ablation process, just give information about this negative transient effect. We each have to find our own path to NSR. I don't want to get off topic, but I believe based on my own lengthy bout with Persistent AFIB there is something about the Mind-Interface to the condition of AFIB. Luckily I was pretty much Asymptomatby The Anti-Fib - AFIBBERS FORUM
Researcher: Is the UCSD EP Dr. Feld, or just an associate of his. My own local EP thought that Dr. Feld was a top level Ablationist being at the leading edge of the science, at least for the SW. Whoever the EP was that saw the 5 incoming "Butcheries" would know what to do. Whether or not they would actually stand up to the situation and take action is of course, another matter.by The Anti-Fib - AFIBBERS FORUM
Well obviously we can't get the word out, if we don't name the Dr. or Practice in question. Maybe this is a time for the Moderator to chime in about when it is appropriate to speak negatively about a certain Dr. Certainly if it is from our own personnel experiences or that of our children, then speaking out would be the moral and ethical thing to do. We've all known people fromby The Anti-Fib - AFIBBERS FORUM
It's still accurate to call that a side effect of an Ablation. Mike E and other have been greatly bothered by this. Just because it's a common after effect does'nt mean we say it's not valid to refer to it that way. Another negative effect of an Ablation is this so called "Blanking Period". As if what happens in this 3 month period of time is inconsequential, anby The Anti-Fib - AFIBBERS FORUM
You had a Natale Ablation? I'm thinking that Natale's Ablations are known for that side effect. Something about the way he does it. It seems that also at least trying the Bystolic, is a sound option here. At 100 resting rate, that may be cause for tachycardia induced Cardiomyopathy. 2.5mg Bystolic won't be very noticeble as far as exercise capacity, I can take 10mg with noby The Anti-Fib - AFIBBERS FORUM
PeggyM ET AL: I appreciate the work done to compile "The List" Posts. I was aware of, but I sort of forgot about Session 61, even though I have been visiting this site on and off for 5 years. Thanks to you, I have just now have become aware of "The list" posts effort since CR61 closed. The new Forum Format will likely have a way of running an ongoing "Sticky Postby The Anti-Fib - AFIBBERS FORUM
Bill: I wouldn't worry about the stinging, it is normal, and the more times you get the Propofol, the less it stings. It only stung like the first 3-4 times for me. They may have pushed the Prop in too fast, I have only heard of it hurting in the Arm/Upper Arm areas, I am wondering if the Prop hit your Brain to fast. Also I think it stings more the lower they put the IV in the Wrist, aby The Anti-Fib - AFIBBERS FORUM
The new Platform or Website should an easy link to channel people into the Forum, that is of course if we want more people. I had been a frequent reader on the site since 2010, but did not pay hardly any attention to the Forum until last year. I was overwhelmed with Han's extensive and sometimes redundant info, and I just did not make it that far onto the Forum. God Bless Fran Ross withby The Anti-Fib - AFIBBERS FORUM
I agree with Rob50, others on this will have specific info, at least for a recommendation in the upper Midwest. The Cleveland Clinic in Ohio used to be the place to go, not sure currently. Dr. Natale is popular amongst the board members and he travels, but where to I do not know.by The Anti-Fib - AFIBBERS FORUM
Medication is used for conversion successfully in the Hospital, all the time. It takes longer, and it's not as successfull as an ECV. Not sure of the Stats on it, but a 14 day waiting period for ECV, doesn't necessarily mean you would be stuck in AFIB that long.by The Anti-Fib - AFIBBERS FORUM
Well knowing something about Computers, the information from those forums is still on a Hard Drive somewhere. Maybe with the new people involved in the new effort underway in the sites moderization, can we again see these valuable old posts from yesteryear. The other thing that stands out, is that if they got Forum 3 to transfer over, than why couldn't they get Forum 4 as well?by The Anti-Fib - AFIBBERS FORUM
LIZ: Yes long indeed, but these long posts are from the long lost missing Forums! Nobody would have gotten a chance to see then otherwise, and unlike the other marvelous posts from the past, we can't go back and learn from the missing posts, if not for having the fortunate experence of having one of our diligent responders save them for us.by The Anti-Fib - AFIBBERS FORUM
Where are LAF Forums 1,2 and 4? They are gone/lost? Does anyone remember the story behind this? God Bless Fran Rossby The Anti-Fib - AFIBBERS FORUM
LIZ writes: "Fran had many other health issues, maybe she really didn't have AF, we don't know." Interesting critical analysis, but that's like saying that we never went to the Moon! Fran had many posts on this site, and for her not to have had AF, would have also meant that all of the stuff she wrote about being on AAM, and being treated by Cardiologists would hby The Anti-Fib - AFIBBERS FORUM
LIZ et al: Regarding Mg causing AF, I noticed that Tom B several years ago posted that Mg caused was a cause of AF for himself. Here Liz, PeggyM, and Jackie are all going at it on the same topic back 2013, with the Master-Fibber himself Hans Larsen Moderating. Also I have heard that in several categories of patients Mg is likely to make things worse.by The Anti-Fib - AFIBBERS FORUM
Researcher: OK, I think I see how are you coming up with 10 references to Asymptomatic patients? I searched for "Asymptomatic" in the PDF format, and did see Asymptomatic about 10 times. The other way I did it, came up with only 4-5. The guidelines in section 6.3. only recommend CA for "Symptomatic" Patients, thereby excluding Asymptomatic Patients from the recommendaby The Anti-Fib - AFIBBERS FORUM
PeggyM: So there were posts tagged "The List" since session 61 officially closed in 2007. I see some of those after following Georges instructions. Am I right that this sort of fell by the way-side in the last 3 years, and no more posts are being tagged "The List"? I am wondering if Session 61 should have been left open indefinately, and the requirements to post maybe moby The Anti-Fib - AFIBBERS FORUM
Researcher did you actually look at the full text, or just the executive summary? ______________________________________________________________________________________________ 6.3. AF Catheter Ablation to Maintain Sinus Rhythm: Recommendations Class I 1. AF catheter ablation is useful for SYMPTOMATIC paroxysmal AF... Class IIa 1. AF catheter abby The Anti-Fib - AFIBBERS FORUM
Well Shannon you were fortunate enough to experience what I failed to do in making 3-4 concerted attempts to be Cardioverted without the use of Anesthesia, or at least to be be somewhat aware, as you were. I did not realize that it hurt from the Head. I wonder if the electric jolt to the Head is sort of like the old Electroshock Therapy given to Pschyiatric Patients. Well at least your can reby The Anti-Fib - AFIBBERS FORUM
LIZ: Fwiw, it looks like to me that your version of "The Strategy" although not a complete success, may be keeping your AFIB at bay and it would be much worse if you abandoned your abatement efforts.by The Anti-Fib - AFIBBERS FORUM
Peggy: When was the last contact made with Fran Ross? Her story was the most incredulous. Almost 20 years in AFIB most of the time, then reversed out of it. What "List Posts made since session 61 closed" are you talking about the additions made later on the their original stories? Also these stories aren't really counted for much, even on here, as the high standard seby The Anti-Fib - AFIBBERS FORUM
Sleep Apnea can cause the HR to increase. The less oxygen taken in means the faster the Heart will beat to try to keep the body Oxygenated. But you would probably not get just an isolated reading like that if you Sleep Apnea all the time. Was the HR 138 averaged over 10 minutes, or just for just for a brief moment within that 10 minute timeframe? I used to just stop breathing in my sleep altoby The Anti-Fib - AFIBBERS FORUM
The best EP's to ask are one's that don't do Ablations, and preferable don't even work in a Practice that any EP's do Ablations. A good "clinic doc" EP that spends his time evaluating patients, not performing procedures in the Hospital is the ideal type of Dr. to ask. Someone that has been around awhile, and has gotten feedback from other patients who had trieby The Anti-Fib - AFIBBERS FORUM
Not sure what the new 2014 guidelines from the AHA/ACC/HRS say, but my reading of the 2011 guidelines was that they made the clear distinction that Ablation was not recommended for Asymptomatic LAF'ersby The Anti-Fib - AFIBBERS FORUM
Aside from more lucrative alternatives, Mg and K+ make some patients worse. Are the studies there to show that Mg works?by The Anti-Fib - AFIBBERS FORUM
I have seen the risk of stroke reported as 6% per year in AFIB patients with permanent AFIB. Based on that it means at 65+ years in AFIB, this old-timer was a also a lucky-timer as well.by The Anti-Fib - AFIBBERS FORUM
Having recovered from prior longstanding persistent/permanent AFIB, and an avid exerciser, my experience is that it did not impact ability to exercise very much. Rate control (70's at rest) without being sedated was the key. I achieved this with Bystolic at 30mg+ (Cardio-Selective Beta-Blocker). Not saying it was the same overall though. Many other changes occur while being in AFIBby The Anti-Fib - AFIBBERS FORUM
Just wondering, we do have posters with backrounds in various medical fields, but I have never seen any real Heart Dr's post here, unless they have done so incognito. It seems like at some point at least a retired Dr. would post here, and maybe lay down the law so to speak.by The Anti-Fib - AFIBBERS FORUM
I am looking for a BHRT Dr. to possibly prescribe Hydrocortisone. I have been to 2 Endocrinologists who said my A.M. Cortisol levels (ave of 8) were not low enough to treat. I am not satisfied, and am looking to find another Dr. My question is, should I keep looking at additional Endocrinologists, or go with a Family Practice or Internal Medicine Dr. who specializes in BHRT? I also understandby The Anti-Fib - GENERAL HEALTH FORUM