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I used this report for another purpose but given the recent post by Rob, I thought the content was appropriate here, especially when considering connecting the dots to magnesium depletion by alcohol and also alcohol depleting testosterone etc. The connection between low testosterone levels and Afib has been discussed periodically and I wanted to share more on this topic as a result of a June (201by Jackie - AFIBBERS FORUM
William - then it's the iodine and not the potassium from which you receive benefit.... the topic here was what form of potassium to use.by Jackie - AFIBBERS FORUM
" Coumadin has it's own problems." Yes, but if one is bleeding/hemorrhage when on Coumadin, it can be reversed quickly with the addition of vitamin K.by Jackie - AFIBBERS FORUM
Erling - great find! Solid support for the theory of CR 72. We know that rather than the #8 observation calling a metabolic approach "novel"... a metabolic approach that provides support for the heart energy required to maintain the voltage is exactly what we need as an anti-arrhythmic strategy. Good work! Jackieby Jackie - AFIBBERS FORUM
William - I doubt that you can gain enough potassium from that iodine compound alone since the goal is dietary intake of around 5000 mg at the very least, daily. Jackieby Jackie - AFIBBERS FORUM
Murray - these video clips are intros to the topic of Silent Inflammation... Dr. Sears has written the book, The Anti-Inflammatory Zone - Reversing the Silent Epidemic... which is definitely worth reading. Dr. Hyman has a whole program for eliminating Silent Inflammation. We all must work to make sure our levels of silent inflammation as close to zero as possible Here's a previous post (2by Jackie - AFIBBERS FORUM
Murray - I do agree..that testing rather than guessing is the best approach. However, it's a given that most people (and definitely afibbers) are deficient in magnesium. It's also a given that most people take in far too much dietary sodium and far too little dietary potassium (unless they are vegetarians) and even then, if packaged foods are eaten, the imbalance can occur. The scieby Jackie - AFIBBERS FORUM
Earl - here's a couple of reports on goitrogens: Cooking destroys the harmful enzymes.by Jackie - AFIBBERS FORUM
Lynda - A few questions: How much LS V8 do you take in a day? Have you calculated on paper your average intake of potassium from foods and the LS V8? Have you had a recent serum potassium blood test? My experience is that when the serum potassium gets too low.. and for me, that's 4.2 or less, I'll have ectopy. When you say you watch sodium... what is your ratio of sodium tby Jackie - AFIBBERS FORUM
Phyllis - one thought would be that the majority of people probably also include gluten in their diet which is well known to contribute to inflammation in sensitive individuals. The hybridization of 'modern' wheat has changed the nature of the protein and seems to cause problems with many people but is not often recognized as a culprit. Same with dairy. Try eating Paleo. Refer to Coby Jackie - AFIBBERS FORUM
Hi Bryan - Considerations: That may not be nearly enough magnesium. I don't see mention of your potassium intake either diet or supplemental and/or any mention of what you are doing to reach and maintain The Ratio of 4:1 (potassium to sodium) which typically requires reducing your sodium intake significantly while focusing diligently on intake of potassium-containing foods. Taurine iby Jackie - AFIBBERS FORUM
Billy.... first, it's important to understand that adding potassium only may not solve your AF problem. You need a solid or optimal base of intracellular magnesium first and then the potassium might begin to help if you aren't also overloading with salty foods that counteract the potassium. The one thing to keep in mind is that adding any of the electrolytes to help control AF is noby Jackie - AFIBBERS FORUM
Sam - The issue is still that boiling potatoes or any other vegetable will allow the minerals to settle out in the water and the food left does not have the mineral content suggested in various tables. The fact still remains that potatoes would only be a very last resort when relying on foods that contain high potassium... much too high in carbs to be helpful.by Jackie - AFIBBERS FORUM
I don't remember the year that the postings were here but it involved mortality and medical complications during ablation at the CCF - Main Campus here in Cleveland, OH. Distant memory says - no deaths and one stroke. No tamponade or esophageal fistula at that time.... Maybe someone can remember ...obviously, this is a very large center that draws from all over the country and the complicby Jackie - AFIBBERS FORUM
Sam - Along with George's comments about drinking the water, it's just not a good idea to rely on potatoes if there is any tendency whatsoever for dysglycemia. White potatoes metabolize very rapidly to glucose and in doing that, it uses both magnesium and potassium in the process of making insulin to handle the carb load. Counterproductive. With the cooking water from potatoes, oneby Jackie - AFIBBERS FORUM
Faith - remember that unless or until your intracellular magnesium is optimal, more potassium won't necessarily calm your heart and can increase ectopy and arrhythmia.... so don't neglect the two other key points... 1) opitmal IC Mg and 2) watch your sodium intake so that your ratio is at least 4:1...minimum. Your 4.5 serum potassium may look good but if you do better at 4.7 or more.by Jackie - AFIBBERS FORUM
Faith - the best way I know to reach that target is make a list of the foods you currently eat and the potassium content and then make sure you add either more of them, or expand your choices to include some that are higher in potassium.... like avocado... high in potassium compared to many other options. Just do a Google search for potassium-containing foods... or a search on nutrient values inby Jackie - AFIBBERS FORUM
Murray - I fiddled with AF for 8 years... at first, very occassional events and then in the later years, many, many events that were often very long duration. Perhaps I was just fortunate that I didn't have significant enlargement or perhaps the nutritional tack that I took to help manage my overall health along with AF was protective. I do not agree that everyone will have atrial enlby Jackie - AFIBBERS FORUM
Great post, Shannon. The main issue with blood glucose levels is not to think that you can take this and that to lower the glucose when you continually make bad food choices and don't eliminate starchy carbs that metabolize quickly to sugar because those foods promote the advanced glycation endproducts... AGEs and those are damaging to internal tissues regardless of what herb or nutrientby Jackie - AFIBBERS FORUM
Gregg - I understand... eating on the road is a huge problem when it comes to finding something suitable, healthy, low salt, no chemicals etc... You just have to decide what's the least offensive and the most healthy possible.... because the bottom line is your health. When you are faced with eating a salt-laden meal, I'd definitely supplement immediately with extra potassium to offsetby Jackie - AFIBBERS FORUM
Gregg - Here's a report on taurine that should help. Peggy's response to eat smarter and healthier is really the easiest and best way to ensure that you maintain THE Ratio we need for NSR. Eliminating canned and processed foods is important. Whole, fresh foods keep us healthy. Jackieby Jackie - AFIBBERS FORUM
Peggy - from the book by cardiologist Stephen T. Sinatra, MD, FACC "The Coenzyme Q10 Phenomenon" 1998 Keats Publishing, page 55 Quote: ARRHYTHMIA Heart palpitations are probably the most common complaint that brings people to my office. Fortunately, irregular heartbeats are rarely a cause for concern; they occur in about one-third of all normal hearts. One of the most common arrhythmias Iby Jackie - AFIBBERS FORUM
Maryann - it's a sign of low potassium when you can hear your heartbeat... Check out CR 72...for info about maintaining a proper potassium to sodium ratio. You also need an optimal level of intracellular magnesium so that potassium can function appropriately. Conference Room Session #72 Potassium/Sodium Ratio in Atrial Fibrillation (February 7 - June 11, 2011) Jackieby Jackie - AFIBBERS FORUM
Oh my - Don - choose another EP!!! Don't walk, run away from that ablation date. If you can come to the Cleveland or Akron, there are EPs with excellent track records for both safety and success. If you haven't tried all of the nutritional interventions, you may want to give that a try first. Jackieby Jackie - AFIBBERS FORUM
Tom - good thought - when I began with the AF breakthroughs in year four post ablation - my thought was, "my warranty is up"... now what? That's when I proceeded to be much more careful making sure the electrolyte intake was optimal and tweaked the heart energy nutrients. Thankfully, the events that were easily converted PIP were spaced out 6 - 9 months apart or longer so it waby Jackie - AFIBBERS FORUM
I recall at the AF conference I attended in '05, Dr. Natale discussed how important it was to observe carefully via the monitors to see if clots were forming and in one video clip, he withdrew the catheter tip and wiped it on a 2 x 2 gauze to demonstrate how much blood had coagulated because of the heat on the tip, itself. He then went on to say that (at that time) they were doing a hepariby Jackie - AFIBBERS FORUM
Steve - like to have people start with 500 mg for a couple of days to see if there are any adverse effects, as it can lower blood pressure in some individuals. If none, then you can take 1000 at a time and often people feel that about 3000 daily in divided doses is helpful. My experience is that I do well with 500 mg three times a day. Jackieby Jackie - AFIBBERS FORUM
Thanks Shannon - Of course, the adrenal issue needs to be considered and I'm sure that's why I need to add salt daily - in minor amounts. I'm at the point where I know by how I feel whether I need to add salt and while I may think that overall my adrenals are functioning normally, it could be that they are not functioning optimally 100% of the time. I'm due for another Adreby Jackie - AFIBBERS FORUM
Ivan - I do remember and I'm glad she's making progress. She's so very fortunate to have your loving care and attention. Positive thoughts and prayers to you both. Jackieby Jackie - AFIBBERS FORUM
Tom B - We've often mentioned the Goldilocks approach to dosing and with sodium, that is certainly very appropriate. The guidelines are just that... a guide but not a strict, set amount. Some may need more than others depending on body size, weight, activity level (losing sodium through perspiration) etc. What works for one person may not be appropriate for another. Your approach seemsby Jackie - AFIBBERS FORUM