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Pompon - ultimately, the problem may be that there are not enough essential nutrients to make the stomach acid. This is typically a specific B vitamin and zinc deficiency. Definitely, keep taking the betaine HCl and try to be tested for the essential nutrients that support stomach acid production so you can target repletion. Jackieby Jackie - AFIBBERS FORUM
jpeters... no.. the ECV came first, then the CT scan. Sorry if I didn't type the chronology clearly. That's why we were all both pleased and obviously relieved to know that the NK was that effective. I had thought the prolonged AF duration was the most likely clot cause but other readers suggested it was more likely the ECV. However, prior to my second ablation when I had so mby Jackie - AFIBBERS FORUM
Whitehaven - Absolutely not. It would be totally irresponsible to suggest that anyone on blood thinners go off them unless you had the endorsement of your cardiologist or EP and that's not likely to be the case because of their medico/legal liability. When I've posted about my stopping warfarin back in the days when there were no other anticoag options, I did it because I had sby Jackie - AFIBBERS FORUM
Thanks George, good eye. Yes - sorry for the ambiguity. Jackieby Jackie - AFIBBERS FORUM
Digoxin and risk of death in adults with atrial fibrillation: the ATRIA-CVRN study. Circ Arrhythm Electrophysiol. 2015 Feb;8(1):49-58. doi: 10.1161/CIRCEP.114.002292. Epub 2014 Nov 20. CONCLUSIONS: In adults with atrial fibrillation, digoxin use was independently associated with higher risks of death and hospitalization. Given other available rate control options, digoxin should be usedby Jackie - AFIBBERS FORUM
Hello Dean - Great to see you posting again. It's undoubtedly the natto connection that helped reduce your GI symptoms as George mentions. Natto is well known to have a variety of healing effects along with the side benefit of working on the fibrin aspect of the adverse clotting concerns. For new readers who aren't yet using anticoagulants and who may not be familiar with nattokby Jackie - AFIBBERS FORUM
I've never had gout or arthritis but the link to AF is not surprising considering the link to inflammation and gout. Among the causes of elevated uric acid (present in gout) are diets high in fructose, meat, seafood, and sweetened soft drinks along with thiazides and loop diruetics. The latter makes sense for the AF factor in that those deplete the critical electrolytes. Jackieby Jackie - AFIBBERS FORUM
Carey and all… I am not suggesting that afibbers forgo their prescribed medications and I totally understand your resistance, Carey, to natural therapies. This is not at all unusual or unique. I also agree that it’s important for every individual to determine what they want to learn and are willing to do for overall health in the long-term since we all have different influencing factors thatby Jackie - AFIBBERS FORUM
Vanlith - I share your concern and I'm apologizing for the tone of this thread. Our moderator, Shannon, believes in the value of nutritional supplements and various natural interventions that prove to be far more useful than many meds as useful adjuncts to help with overall health maintenance and prevention. There are many studies (in the thousands) showing benefits of various nutriby Jackie - AFIBBERS FORUM
Afibbers - Great reminder about the alkalizing effect of the activated charcoal. Once again, this goes directly to the importance and benefits of alkaline tissue pH. Jackieby Jackie - AFIBBERS FORUM
Davros - There are numerous contributors to what may cause various types of 'gastric distress.' Among the first, would be assessing what food or drink you've consumed for the evening meal and any snacks or drinks before getting in bed. This speaks directly to whether or not you are making enough natural stomach acid to manage the last input. If not, then the typical resultby Jackie - AFIBBERS FORUM
Pompon - I'm glad you are having some improvements with your positive changes. Bloating and heart activity such as PACs or outright arrhythmia seem to go together. The stomach distension or bloating stretches tissue and irritates the Vagus nerve which then can result in the ectopy or AF. Bloating is often the result of undigested food (lack of natural digestive enzymes and stomach aciby Jackie - AFIBBERS FORUM
Colindo - Yes... very important point... and then you also have to ask and evaluate, what sets the stage in each individual that makes clot formation conducive or more likely? The #1 influencing factor is Silent Inflammation. Others are mentioned in the previous posts on Silent Inflammation, Clot Risk, etc. Lifestyle risk factors are included and risk from oxidative stress damage. Asby Jackie - AFIBBERS FORUM
jpeters... you missed the point... I was asking if the certification process for labeling of Non-GMO food was corrupt and not reliable. There is science behind the 'built in' problems with genetically modified organisms and that's not related to pesticides residues. Jackieby Jackie - AFIBBERS FORUM
Brian - thanks for posting this very refreshing report. Dr. Day's website is loaded with great information. Take note of the Editorial Board members at this link And this link George - excellent response, as usual. Thanks. Jackieby Jackie - AFIBBERS FORUM
Hi Brian - Yes, you should have an EP who can help you if you should need cardioversion. When Dr. Natale was here at the Cleveland Clinic, that was great. When he went to Texas, there were a couple of associate EPs here who were more than willing to help when I began having recurrent events 11 years later. However, knowing I would most likely need a another ablation for a-flutter when that sby Jackie - AFIBBERS FORUM
Liz - The info about calcium from Livestrong is not correct according to current findings about the excitatory role that calcium plays in cells. Your cells need only the small, requisite amounts of calcium for balance with magnesium and taking magnesium does not cause a calcium problem. If you doubt that, then read what cardiologist Thomas Levy, MD, says about "Death by Calcium."by Jackie - AFIBBERS FORUM
Pompon... Have you tried using a digestive enzyme with your meals? Often, when there isn't adequate production of your own natural stomach acid (typically due to a vitamin deficiency), after meals, there will be some gas production because the stomach acid isn't there to break down the food elements properly. The gas expands the stomach tissue and that bloating can result in pressureby Jackie - AFIBBERS FORUM
Vanlith - Your dosing of magnesium seems to be very high...you mention KAL brand 5-6 grams. Typically, you should begin with small, divided doses like 200-300 mg...not grams... a day and then gradually increase to more doses spaced out throughout the day and some at bedtime. Bowel tolerance is typically the guide for dosing quantity. Some, tolerate 400 mg - 600 mg daily. Others, can go to 8by Jackie - AFIBBERS FORUM
Thanks, George, for your confirmation of "the potassium factor" as a stabilizing influence. Carey - yes.. .that's why loading up on potassium isn't a great idea unless, or until you are aware of both the IC Mg levels and also the Potassium plus sodium. Over the years, there have been many afibbers who didn't optimize the Mg first but took an abundance of potassiumby Jackie - AFIBBERS FORUM
Carey: And if you understand how potassium affects cardiac cells, it makes no sense for high potassium levels to cause PACs. That's the opposite of its mechanism of action. Carey - Long ago in the literature on magnesium for arrhythmia, there was a study and commentary that mentioned about the function of both magnesium and potassium's effect on cardiac cells... and the summatioby Jackie - AFIBBERS FORUM
MissSunshine... It's not uncommon to be anxious about the extra beats after ablations. If you aren't supplementing with magnesium, you may want to consider adding that since magnesium does help with calming. Stress depletes magnesium so taking it helps as a preventive and also a 'tool' that gives you some sense of control over the situation. Also, check your diet to be sureby Jackie - AFIBBERS FORUM
Carey - I'm recalling one of the afibber's who talked about and still uses the Cardy meter to be sure his potassium levels don't get too high because he would experience AF: Tom C who wrote about the Cardy meter in CR 74. He has had two ablations and still finds that he needs the meter to eliminate the runs of PACs when he gets too much food potassium. He's very medicallby Jackie - AFIBBERS FORUM
Joe - Everyone is different in recovery time and also the amount of PAC activity post procedure. I've had three Natale ablations and had no notable PAC-type activity which may be because I always went back to my core electrolyte program and other support supplements as soon as I was discharged. Since we all are different, there's no set standard but if your PACs are noticeable toby Jackie - AFIBBERS FORUM
Quotehwkmn05 Sure, all of the above, none of the above. Does that make sense? Yes - it's called 'biochemical individuality'... However, there are some common traits that seem to be generally true for much of the AF population and once those are recognized or acknowledged, then it becomes the 'individual' factor. Jby Jackie - AFIBBERS FORUM
Carey - I agree that food sources are the best for potassium, but many afibbers don't have a Cardy meter and that can be a big problem if they are taking in too much K-containing foods. It's foolish to load up on potassium as the solution. Remember, the rule for helping to maintain stability and freedom from arrhythmia when it comes to potassium is... the magnesium inside the heaby Jackie - AFIBBERS FORUM
I have routinely taken an amino acid complex for years, just to augment my protein intake; however, as far as I know, that did not improve my tendency for afib, most likely because I have always had an optimal, quality protein intake and no deficits were noted on the various metabolic profile tests so we concluded that wasn't the source of my initiators. If one is looking to boost nitroby Jackie - AFIBBERS FORUM
Hi Mike - When I came across this study, I offered it here because it looks to be a good substitute- at least to try first before resorting to amiodarone with all those side effects. As for dosing, I’ve only seen recommendations for using Berberine to help regulate glucose and insulin response for which it has been noted in many studies to be very effective. The Designs for Health profesby Jackie - AFIBBERS FORUM
Check some of these reports on the function of potassium. Above all, be sure to have the kidney evaluation from your doctor. Be very cautious if there is any impairment and definitely have them direct your potassium intake. Quite often, it's beneficial to take a measured amount of a potassium supplement so you know exactly the amount you are taking in rather than shot-gun with how much isby Jackie - AFIBBERS FORUM
Hello Anne and welcome. As you can see by the responses thus far, there are a variety of influencing factors recognized in some afibbers, yet not others. Commonly, though, all things considered, the consensus is fairly consistent regarding the dehydration factor and depletion of the core, essential electrolytes which need to be kept in balance as in proper ratios. As noted in George'sby Jackie - AFIBBERS FORUM