You can read the recent post titled "Bugs in the Heart" to see what integrative cardiologist Patrick Frattelone says on this topic. Over the years, many people have found they didn't have afib events when they had been given a course of antibiotics for another reason so there could be more of a connection than has been previously addressed. <;by Jackie - AFIBBERS FORUM
Adrian - I think it's bioavailable, it's just that there typically is a very minute amount in those liquid preparations.by Jackie - AFIBBERS FORUM
Jean - the amount of magnesium absorbed through the feet vs soaking in a tub would be considerably less and I believe they say a bath soak can deliver around 200 mg... I'm not totally sure about that - maybe I dreamt it.. But anyway, it's a fairly small amount of magnesium. That's why it takes alot of soaking to try to get the cells repleted in some individuals. I have to thinby Jackie - AFIBBERS FORUM
Louise - I have not read anywhere that oil of oregano is contraindicated with the use of Coumadin. But as we all know, herbs are powerful drugs so it pays to be aware and do research. I checked the A-Z guide to drug-herb-vitamin interactions...and it is not listed under the warfarin interactions. Jackieby Jackie - AFIBBERS FORUM
Paul - I agree with Carol but if you are limited in choice, at the very least, you need to find out how many ablations he has done and if they'll tell you, his success rate. If he hasn't done several hundred, then certainly you can listen to what he has to say, but look elsewhere for the actual ablation if at all possible. Jackieby Jackie - AFIBBERS FORUM
Yes, Diana - get a second and even a third opinion if necessary... and soon. Jackieby Jackie - AFIBBERS FORUM
Cold and flu season is with us and I thought Id share information about staying healthy not only during this season but all year long. As most of you know, I rely heavily on essential oils of plants to stay healthy. I hope I dont jinx it, but Im now entering my 7th season of not having a cold or flu; I dont get the flu shot. My husband usually gets at least one cold and often, the flu, eby Jackie - AFIBBERS FORUM
Rob - along with the magnesium suggestion, here's a couple more: Two books: The High Blood Pressure Solution - Natural Prevention and Cure with the K Factor - by Richard D. Moore, MD, PhD. and What Your Doctor May Not Tell You About Hypertension by Mark Houston, MD. I'd also suggest you read a bit about a very effective natural product called Anti-Ace Peptides - made from theby Jackie - AFIBBERS FORUM
Hi Adrian! Happy Birthday to your Mom. What is the amount of magnesium delivered (in milligrams) in the liquid product you take? Or are you taking it mainly for the other trace minerals just as an insurance policy? Regards, Jackieby Jackie - AFIBBERS FORUM
I agree Wil - how can we find this information? I believe there was something published out of the CCF that indicated the degree of fibrosis in AF -maybe from VanWagoner...and also I dimly recall Dr. Natale's input but not where I saw it. Long ago, it was a thought that fibrosis from the afib insult perpetuated ongoing afib...and led to my post about cardiac fibrosis in the Conference Rby Jackie - AFIBBERS FORUM
Kate - can you quote from the label of the products you have the amount of magnesium chloride (in milligrams) that is delivered in each application? Jackieby Jackie - AFIBBERS FORUM
Gunnar - that's definitely an alternate method of absorption. Since it doesn't pass through the stomach first, it will not have the problem that many magnesium compounds do - of breaking down in the stomach first and then having to be assimilated after that. That's the beauty of the amino acid chelate version of magnesium glycinate... it isn't broken down in the stomach - but is ready to go,by Jackie - AFIBBERS FORUM
Paul - giving up grains may be painful, but if one really does have that hidden or silent celiac reaction to the gluten/gliaden protein then having an ablation may take care of the AF, but it certainly won't stop the ongoing destruction of the gluten problem....especially the brain hypoperfusion. It's certainly worth a consideration to give up gluten as it may lead to significant control or eliby Jackie - AFIBBERS FORUM
Semantics.... I should have said compounded forms of magnesium chelates... Sorry for the misstatement. Magnesium glycinate is the superior amino acid chelated form of magnesium.... for instance, whereas magnesium taurate is found not to have a complete chelate bond.... (or so the those who are producing it say). Chelated minerals as in supplements are not the same as the process of treatingby Jackie - AFIBBERS FORUM
This publication from American Family Physician is almost 10 years old yet, we can still use the findings as reference points which should be helpful to new readers and a reminder for us all. specifically The electrophysiologic mechanism for atrial fibrillation appears to be multiple wavelets of reentry.4 To allow multiple reentrant wavelets to propagate, a critical mass of excitable tissuby Jackie - AFIBBERS FORUM
Here are some of the information links from Albion who is the company holding the patents on amino acid/mineral chelates... and discusses the stability of chelate bonds and why theirs work and others don't.by Jackie - AFIBBERS FORUM
No questions are stupid Louise - yes...blood pressure too low in some individuals can bring about an adrenaline response... to get you up and moving... and can trigger afib. It did for me... The BB took it down too low and then, I got afib. I would say yes.. vagals may not be able can't tolerate Hawthorne... but sure as I say that...someone will report otherwise... biochemical individby Jackie - AFIBBERS FORUM
John - the Albion patented process is a fully, reacted amino acid chelate designed to provide optimal absorption and can be taken in high doses without bowel tolerance issues. Since often to reach optimal intracellular levels of repletion, it means taking 1000 - 1200 mg. daily of magnesium, the bowel tolerance property becomes very important. Albion says: "it is the unique energy signatby Jackie - AFIBBERS FORUM
Pam - very definitely there can be too much insulin production because it is acting like insulin resistance... it's producing the insulin but can't get in because the receptor cells are damaged. My son is diabetic and controlled with metformin and diet and he still gets hypoglycemia and feels awful if he isn't careful with his food choices. White bread - bad. Wine/alcohol... vby Jackie - AFIBBERS FORUM
I agree with Sharon - a quart of OJ is a huge amount of sugar. Better to eat the whole fruit - and only one orange a day - if that. It should always be balanced out with protein to slow down the entry of glucose into the blood stream. Alot of people get reactive hypoglycemia from drinking too much fruit juice. For me, having been insulin resistant - juice is out. Period. I can have halfby Jackie - AFIBBERS FORUM
Jim - just remember - wheat/gluten sensitivities don't usually act as what we typically think of as a 'trigger'...like eat Chinese and get an MSG reaction fairly quickly... but rather it is a slow and silent disruption of normal function that manifests in silent inflammation as one of many symptoms. That's where it is theorized that it can help propel the incidence of afib...by Jackie - AFIBBERS FORUM
Tom - I think that's great news. Glad you've found your personal protocol. Several of us are using ribose and are happy with it. But, as I posted originally, hawthorne didn't work for me - and also others as it tends to lower blood pressure and made mine too low, apparently - and actually increased my afib. So once again...it's trial and error to see what works with yourby Jackie - AFIBBERS FORUM
William - Lynn had tried the magnesium chloride approach - it's very pricey - and even that didn't seem to move up her IC magnesium levels...which is where it counts. She's now found that IM magnesium injections given in the doctor's office are helping her maintain a proper level. Sometimes people with intestinal absorption issues will not be able to increase IC stores throuby Jackie - AFIBBERS FORUM
Lisa - in my early onset afib days... I always had lower left jaw pain. Eventually, that diminished to none and it was never clear why I had it other than( my thought) it was of lack of proper blood flow. I didn't then and do not now have coronary artery disease. No one ever was able to explain medically why this symptom occurred. Is there any possibility you can trace this to acid reby Jackie - AFIBBERS FORUM
Dan - is there any chance you can consult with either a cardiologist who has a specialty in rhythm disturbances or else an electrophysiologist so you can be assessed correctly and given drugs that are appropriate and less harmful? Your GP may be well-intentioned but he has started out with the worst drug first and then to offer digoxin - another which is not recommended, leads me to believe hby Jackie - AFIBBERS FORUM
Hi Jim - Have you eliminated all gluten containing foods - those made with wheat - ie, flour? This seems to be fairly influential as a main overall trigger for many afibbers who have successfully arrested their afib...not gone totally but absent a large amount of time. If you haven't eliminated grains - as in the Paleo eating plan - at least consider stopping the gluten for a couple ofby Jackie - AFIBBERS FORUM
This doesnt have anything to do with afib, but it serves to point out the manipulations and suppressing of data and information that go on in Big Pharma circles when eventually there are indications of harm to patients and yet, they are allowed on the market. We probably should be glad afibbers arenthe brunt of new drug experimentations yet. Because Steven Nissan, MD, of the Cleveland Clinicby Jackie - AFIBBERS FORUM
Hi Jim! Happy Thanksgiving! Do you recall way back when - before our ablations - this board was discussing heart rate variability and the HeartMath techniques. As I recall... it was about getting the heart to be conditioned to recover quickly from extended pushes or high exercise. It's when the heart is pushed hard and then doesn't recover easily and quickly, that the conditioningby Jackie - AFIBBERS FORUM
Pat - the metoprolol/Toprol XL took my Bp and HR down so low it would cause afib for me... and I learned why after joining this BB... I was vagal and the beta blocker just didn't work for me. Good luck in figuring it out. Perhaps you can start cutting down on the dose? I'm not a doctor so I hesitate to give you that advice, but if I were in your place - I'd start weaning off aby Jackie - AFIBBERS FORUM