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Thank you George and Carey! I'll reduce the atenolol a little more and see. I've also read that Propranolol has the ability to to decrease T3 and increase rT3 production. My T3 is on the low end of the scale. (Greg Kelly. Peripheral Metabolism of Thyroid Hormones: A Review. Altern Med Rev 2004; 5(4): 306-333) Presumably Atenolol is having the same effect - both being beta-blockers?by Joe - AFIBBERS FORUM
Carey, now it makes sense why metoprolol did nothing much (reduced HR by 10 to15 ppm) for me when i was went to ER 3 years ago. They kept me in for 5 days without much success using beta blockers (and one dose of digoxin). I think the sotolol had more of an effect and now the atenolol with flec definitely has an effect. Too much so i think? Liz did give me a heads up on atenolol. I've cby Joe - AFIBBERS FORUM
Has anybody tried home made H2 water made with a 99%+ purity Mg stick and Malic acid? I've ordered the Mg. If the H2 in the water does nothing, at least i get Mg malate.by Joe - AFIBBERS FORUM
QuoteFrankInFlorida So Joe with your info above, you've been taking Flecainide through that, and felt better with the switch off of Metoprolol as the beta blocker? Metroprolol was given to me 3 years ago at the ER. It was as mentioned, a proverbial boat anchor. Walking 80 steps to a lift left me exhausted and i was quite fit prior to AF. I simply stopped taking after a few days because iby Joe - AFIBBERS FORUM
Sotalol to Atenolol change was on Cardiologist's advise. Didn't ask why but perhaps he had better feedback with Atenolol/Flecanide combination? Also found out that my TSH (thyroid) is 5.55 - quite a bit too high (hypo) and therefor not a reason for my AF (but it could have been 3 years ago when i was hyper < 0.01. Is your thyroid function good?by Joe - AFIBBERS FORUM
Frank, i think you should have a holter monitor for at least 24 hrs to be safe. I've got a pulse oximeter as well and the wave does sort of give an indication. Don't think the pulse rate is much good when in AF because i suspect the sample rate is too short? E.g. mine would show 80 and next thing it would be 110 or more. The lower readings could give us a false sense of hope? Initiby Joe - AFIBBERS FORUM
Good call, Liz! Wonder if beta blockers and/or Flec have a diastolic effect as well? I've been taking 50mg Atenolol and 50 mg of Flec 2x/day for the last two weeks or so. 31/2 days ago i increased Flec to 100mg 2x/day. While i did go back into Sinus after 1 day (two doses of 100mg Flec) my BP now is ranging from 88/68 to 103/62 - getting very close to hypodiastole. My HR has also droppedby Joe - AFIBBERS FORUM
Thanks Colin I'm ok with the drugs for the time being especially since i'm in SR for the last 24hrs. I'll continue eating Natto as well as taking Mg etc. - who knows what worked (at least for the time being).by Joe - AFIBBERS FORUM
Great it worked for you, Colin! How much are you eating / day? Wishing you all the best and lasting relief! I've eaten 40g/day for the last year. Got persistent AF back 9/17/2018 and went into sinus yesterday 10/25. Initially i took Sotalol - only marginally reduced HR. Two weeks ago i went onto Atenolol and Flec which kept irregular HR mostly below 100. Two days ago i upped the Flec toby Joe - AFIBBERS FORUM
I've come across this link: Unfortunately my understanding is not sufficient to make definite links to my problem and changes i could make to fix it 23&me tells me that KCNQ1 is in chromosome 11 and they list over 80 SNPs.by Joe - AFIBBERS FORUM
Thanks for the link, Todd! Plenty to think about.by Joe - AFIBBERS FORUM
QuoteCarey That's a long, complex article to boil down into simpler language. That would be a bit of a project. I might be dreaming, but if genes can be turned on then shouldn't we be able to turn them off if we know what to do/do the right thing??? Sure, that's called gene therapy, and I firmly believe that's where the eventual cure for afib will come from. But the harby Joe - AFIBBERS FORUM
QuoteElizabeth Joe: When I first got AF, my regular Med. doctor prescribed Atenolol, 25mg. only once a day, I felt terrible made me very tried. I got a 1st. degree heart block where my heart rate dropped to almost a flat line when going back to NSR from an episode of AF. I went to a EP and he prescribed a pacemaker and I happened to read his notes (he wasn't around) and it said that theby Joe - AFIBBERS FORUM
As so many of you know i wonder if some of the more analytical thinkers on here can condense this link into simpler and more practical language? I've been in AF for the last few weeks and had a meeting with the Cardiologist/EP yesterday. While he is pleasant and accommodating to a degree he just steers me back to what can we do NOW He prescribed Atenolol 50mg 2x/day and (on my request,by Joe - AFIBBERS FORUM
QuoteElizabeth Joe: When my EP wanted me on eliquis, he had tests run for Creatinine and Bun, also for platelets, if you have low platelets (depends on how low) probably can't be on a blood thinner. L Thanks for that, Liz. Never had any tests, he just prescribed Eliquis and i'm taking it right now. I'll ask him tomorrow.by Joe - AFIBBERS FORUM
QuoteCarey Personally even at 45 I would be hesitant to go off the Eliquis. Or at that point would something like a daily aspirin be recommended? A 3.6 increase, unless maintained for a period of time seems a small amount to make such a decision. I'd also be hesitant. I would want a comfortable margin above the minimum number. I've heard from others that did meet the 45 criteria thby Joe - AFIBBERS FORUM
Quotesmackman This is just my opinion and I mean nothing mean about it. Please write in layman’s English or do this type of discussion by Private Message. Even though I am well educated beyond High school, I have no idea what you are talking about. It’s not a forum to see who can be the most intellect with medical terms. This is basically a layman’s forum. IMO, This helps no one. Tby Joe - AFIBBERS FORUM
The other important step seems to be autophagy? Apoptosis is a normal process and isn't a problem as long as the body deals with it? From my understanding, time restricted eating and/or fasting does take care of that or at least facilitates the process of autophagy?by Joe - AFIBBERS FORUM
While we might carry the relevant KCNQ1 gene and perhaps others that predispose to AF i suspect epigenetics comes into it as well? The gene(s) needn't be activated? E.g. the Apoe 4/4 carriers have a high chance of cognitive decline but can definitely avoid the problem using diet and life style mostly.by Joe - AFIBBERS FORUM
Great link, but is there more detailed info on KCNQ1? I'm interested as it shows up on the raw data for my 23&me. I'll ask the Cardiologist/EP next week when i see him. Not much hope of getting far. Last time i asked more detailed questions about cause, Mg, Potassium etc. he just fobbed me off saying that he deals with treatments that are known to work. He did mention Mg is givby Joe - AFIBBERS FORUM
Thank you, Tom! Great insight! Best wishes!by Joe - AFIBBERS FORUM
QuoteBrian_og In one of the studies mentioned in the John Day article above it states the following: "Atrial fibrillation (AF) is a commonly encountered arrhythmia, which is not yet fully understood. Catheter ablation has shown to be an effective strategy for rhythm management and several small or retrospective studies have shown that stroke rates are decreased in ablated AF patients compby Joe - AFIBBERS FORUM
The risks of not taking an anticoagulant for stroke prevention as a result of short periods of AF can be mitigated by diet (including natural anticoagulants) and life style.by Joe - AFIBBERS FORUM
Another important variable is, how long do your episodes last? My guess is that anything over a few hours becomes very risky for clot formation?by Joe - AFIBBERS FORUM
Thanks Carey! The GP referred me to a Cardiologist. I have an appointment next Tuesday, so your feedback is very helpful.by Joe - AFIBBERS FORUM
Hi Barb, Could you please tell what % PACs and PVCs you had? I had a 24 hr monitor and my PACs were 1% - max. HR 132, count 1,623, PVCs 2% - max. HR 94, count 501. Wonder if these are numbers i should worry about?by Joe - AFIBBERS FORUM
I think Lindy is talking about cox-maze IV? Dr Wolf did say that it's only done once and if there is afib (or flutter?) afterwards an ablation is the way to resolve it. It was also mentioned that success rates do vary and depends on the skill of the doctor - as with ablation.by Joe - AFIBBERS FORUM
Suggest you listen to Scott Freeland, Pharm. D. at the recent Dallas conference, day 3, session 1-3 @ 50:00 min. on DOACs & herbal interactions. *Grapefruit *CBD oils *"Natural" anticoagulants He suggests to tell your treating health care professional about it.by Joe - AFIBBERS FORUM
Thank you Jackie! It will keep me busy. I suspect it's the old argument of observational and double blind placebo controlled studies? Looking forward to learning more.by Joe - GENERAL HEALTH FORUM