Thanks George. I have mouth tape here- it freaks me out a bit. but I am going to try it. I mean I would do the c-pap and power thru but I can't seem to get past doing it for around 30 min when awake. I have tried going to sleep with it. Ok you have me on a mission to try the mouth tape tonight. (And maybe I'll do another compliance run with the cpap since I have it.. I know they caby bettylou4488 - AFIBBERS FORUM
I can't say I've helped my pretty good afib control, but apnea can have a lot of negative health consequences. In this post, I have before and after taping my mouth during sleep of beat to beat heart rate. This is the whole thread on this discussion I sometimes monitor my beat to beat heart rate overnight with a Polar H10 chest strap and a phone app that records the data anby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
Welcome! First suggestion is to change your handle or userid and not use your email address. As these posts are public, a bot is likely to scrape off your email address and you'll get no end of spam. Alcohol in excess is a common trigger known as "Holiday Heart." In more modest quantities, it can also be a trigger, but this is more individual. Exercise is a two edged swoby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
Interesting. Going to look further into this, as time allows. First impression, is, O was used as a weapon to kill... interesting in it's self. Interesting that our horiblemoans can mimic such chemicals. Second, MOUTH tape.... I bet there's something to it, laughingly. TFP, I look forward to others responses.by unangan - AFIBBERS FORUM
QuoteCarey Sure, R-R variability monitors can approximate some sort of afib detector, especially for techies like you who invest the time needed to learn to interpret them, but that's old technology that's been completely replaced at this point, and the average person here isn't into doing the analyses you like to do. You can buy a true ECG that can actually detect afib accuratby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
Yes! Here is a prior thread on the topic. In this thread is a post where I show the difference in beat to beat heart rate with and without tape for me.by GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
I know this may sound strange to people who know nothing about it...I learned about Mouth tape from Mark Burhenne, DDS on a Dental Summit. Mouth Tape: The Secret to Better Sleep and a Healthier Mouth Search domain askthedentist.com https://askthedentist.com/mouth-tape-better-sleep/ Using mouth tape forces you to breathe out of your nose (instead of your mouth). This is a simple way to reapby Percyfaith - AFIBBERS FORUM
Per excerpt from functional Cardiologist's note: "We can also use Ouabain to improve metabolic function in heart cells that may be to some degree oxygen-deprived. Ouabain is an endogenous hormone that stimulates cardiac metabolism via an interaction with its receptor, the sodium/potassium ATPase. ATPase function declines in relation to age and various stressors (oxidative stressby Percyfaith - AFIBBERS FORUM
QuotePompon I know that "too much exercise" can be bad. The fact is we're not equal and "too much" for one may be "nearly negligible" for the other. So, "too much" can obviously damage the heart (as often described) and lead to arrhythmias. OTOH, "too much" can be far from what is usually described as "excessive". In my case,by GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
Quoteggheld I use the medical tape available at any pharmacy and my wife tried it but her skin is too sensitive and she ended up with sores so she had to quit. We both wish she could still use it, too. Gorden, here are some alternatives for your wife. Myotape. This is the description. (ordering here ships from Ireland) and you can order in the US here.. I've used the snoreless tapeby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
I followed George's postings on taping mouth closed at night and have now been doing it for about 6 weeks. It has made my sleep better and, according to my wife, much quieter plus sheets that no get pulled out or otherwise messed up during the night. I use the medical tape available at any pharmacy and my wife tried it but her skin is too sensitive and she ended up with sores so she hadby ggheld - AFIBBERS FORUM
Per the original post, I can't ever get to sleep on either side (though when I was in my too much calcium phase, the left side would trigger ectopics or afib), so start out face down and end up on my back. Always tape my mouth so I breathe through my nose. It is very common for me to otherwise breathe through my mouth if on my back. I previously posted what happens to my heart rate when nby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
QuoteJDfiB Not sure if this will make sense, but how can this relate to Sleep apnea? That is also a non breathing situation but one that contributes to AFIB. I am not disagreeing with your method just wondering how they may relate. I'm not a sleep apnea expert, but I think you stop breathing. CO2 will rise (and some with sleep apnea can have quite high CO2 tolerance), but, depending on thby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
Hi George, Did you have sleep apnea prior to taping? Mild, moderate? Thanks QuoteGeorgeN Did a sleep study and was diagnosed with mild sleep apnea. When it comes to sleep apnea and afibb when do we or should we try and treat, mild, moderate, severe? I'm in relatively good shape(40yr old 6'4 205lbs active male). How do you know or guess sleep apnea is causing or attributinby Kleinkp - AFIBBERS FORUM
Hey Betty, Not answering your questions, but another idea. Breathing. First, listen to this mp3, (click on "click to download here" download here ) and do what it says. Another breathing approach is "cadence" breathing. Specifically 5 1/2 to 6 breaths/minute. Through your nose. Doesn't have to be exact. Use your heart (if you are not in afib) to count.by GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
QuoteKleinkp Did a sleep study and was diagnosed with mild sleep apnea. When it comes to sleep apnea and afibb when do we or should we try and treat, mild, moderate, severe? I'm in relatively good shape(40yr old 6'4 205lbs active male). How do you know or guess sleep apnea is causing or attributing to your afibb? A simple answer may be taping your mouth at night. See this threaby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
QuotePompon George, our sleep is different during the first hours of the night than in the late hours. Afib often comes in the hours after midnight, while our brain activity is different. Is our breathing different too? Emotionally, we're in a different state, as we're dreaming a lot more in the second part of the night. Are we more subject to sleep apnea in this part? We could all beby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
QuotejohnnyS My issue wasn’t only the apnea which was moderate, but also the sleeping position so I recorded myself with a camera for an entire week and this made me realize that the body shifts and you end up all twisted especially if you had a late night meal and you’re not tired or can’t fall asleep. So I changed my habits, no carbs, sugar or dairy and don’t eat after 4pm, sleeping on side onlby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
I did an inadvertent experiment last night. I went sleep with a Polar beat to beat recording heart rate monitor on. These are graphs of heart rate vs. time. I did not tape up initially, woke up after a few hours with dryness in my mouth, taped up and continued sleeping. To put on one image, the resolution isn't great, but you can see the issue. Top graph is about a 6 hour section (majby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
Quotesusan.dHow can you tape your mouth if your nose is stuffed? Suggestion would be to start during the day and adjust. Nose has been a "use it or lose it" proposition in my case as well as others. With nasal congestion from birth, I would have never thought I could do this. I have now for years (thanks Jackie!) and I don't have issues.by GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
I woke up Saturday night with the cpap tube snapped off the mask and my full face mask pulled up so my mouth was exposed. It’s a problem if you flop from side to side and the hose snaps off...my unconscious reaction must had been for me to unsnapped one side and pull the mask up to breathe. Apparently from the time stamp, I was wearing it like that for 4 hours. How can you tape your mouth ifby susan.d - AFIBBERS FORUM
QuoteCarey How many of those people did you observe while they were sleeping? Most people with sleep apnea breath perfectly normally while awake. Depends on how you define "normal." Have a breathing instructor observe them, while awake, and they'd tell you a different story. Most, if not all, are overbreathing. I'm far from an instructor, but can observe it in many.by GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
I bought this one - Nexcare Strong Yet Pain Free Tape, This also saved my cheese when I flew to Europe in Feb. No N95s could be found anywhere. I bought some N95 filter paper - cut it into a triangle and then taped over mouth and nose. Also wore 3m safety goggles (turns out a good idea) For a long trip I'd do the same now. While odd looking the solution is far better than aby NotLyingAboutMyAfib - AFIBBERS FORUM
Quotecolindo I used 3M micropore tape. If you purchased this off of Amazon, you likely received a Chinese knock-off. I know this from experience buying this product via Amazon, for it's marketed purpose.by AB Page - AFIBBERS FORUM
QuoteLarryG That sounds like torture to me, Colindo. /LarryG No it wasn't, I used 3M micropore tape. I have since found chin up strips. I understand you need to do it for a week, so if it helps to stop afib and give a better sleep then I'll give it a go.by colindo - AFIBBERS FORUM
Mike Mutzel is an expert on this also. I tried it for a while - didn't like it. I did get one of these devices and used it to detect hypoxia in myself and several others. It can be set to alarm at many levels of O2 as well as upper and lower HRs. Has vibration and records data for several nights in a row. Great little device. I've been sleeping w/o cpap recentby NotLyingAboutMyAfib - AFIBBERS FORUM
QuoteJackC George, with your success controlling your AF, are you still concerned with the thickness of your blood? Following on, I do a lot of things to make sure this is not an issue for me. Without doing the investigations and study I've done, I don't necessarily recommend others follow my lead. I keep a very high Omega 3 Index (17.9% last Nov, which is a bit too high as my aby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
"Absolutely. Lower oxygen levels is one result. A 2006 study showed that reduction in blood oxygenation (hypoxia) and/or an elevation in blood C02 (hypercapnia) can create painful headaches for people required to wear masks all day. It should also be noted that people with asthma or hypotension are at a greater risk of stroke, cardiac arrest, or an irregular heartbeat when suffering from hypby GeorgeN - GENERAL HEALTH FORUM
QuoteThe Anti-Fib My SPO2 levels for the last 10 weeks are 92 sitting in a chair or lying down, and 95-96 moving around. Is that normal? What elevation do you live at? SpO2 does drop with elevation. I live at 5,500' and a 93 reading is common. Though I can also have readings of 98. I assume your hemoglobin and hematocrit levels are normal? I'm helping a friend who has been haby GeorgeN - GENERAL HEALTH FORUM
QuoteGeorgeN Nasal breathing has been a focus of mine for a long time. I use it as a signal as to whether my exercise is too intense (if I have to open my mouth). I also tape my mouth shut at night to clean up apnea patterns that showed up in an overnight heart rate vs. time recording. I've posted about breathing a number of times: Mouth taping at night Breathing to convert to NSRby DavrosT - AFIBBERS FORUM